I've asked this question to the support team and they told me to ask on the forum.
I have bought a Keylab MK2 61 from Arturia.
The Keylab Mk2 offers 3 modes.
In Analog Lab mode, I can control the Analog Lab Instrument.
In DAW mode, I can control the tracks with the Mackie Console preset in external instruments but to control instruments and FX, I have to use the User mode of the keylab which is mapped to the keyboard (not the console).
To avoid knobs and faders jumping to absolute value, they have offered 3 Relative positions options for each knob and fader. Unfortunately, I've tried the 3 Relative options offered by the Keylab MK2 in Studio One but Studio One doesn't trigger the soft takeover and the result is that knobs and faders have a very limited range. I use Studio One as my main DAW. I've read in some Studio One forums that it might be necessary to edit the user device settings mapping file (keylab.surface.xml) but I couldn't get it to work.
Does anyone can help me with setting that up?
It's really annoying to have my knobs and faders jumping all the time and losing my preset values while doing Sound Design or recording automations. The problem occurs on MAC and PC. I've tried soft takeover with Abelton Live Lite and it works fine but I don't want to spend more Euros in a new DAW to buy Live Standard version especially after I upgraded from Studio One 3 Pro to Studio One 4 Pro....
I didn't think that Studio One supported the soft take over of parameters? Are you saying the Auturia has this capability?
I have a Nektar Impact 88+ and the fader's and knobs are almost useless because Studio One doesn't support the soft take over. So when i move a physical fader the corresponding Studio one fader will jump.
Btw, you can vote for soft takeover here.
Quite honestly, I've never had any issues mapping, and using the MkII as it is with Studio One. Never had encoders jump as described. Though I have come across seeing set limits from the endless encoders, but that's only because the parameter was already hitting it's limit from that instrument, or disconnected by way of mouse or patch change. Thats with any encoders. With the Keylab MkII In User Mode, you can map on all 3 presets/banks. You can store as many presets as you like with Keylab's MIDI Controll Center (Set in the MKII configuration). The MkII is class compliant, so setup is fairly plug & play with anything I've come across. No issues with the S1 Control link as well with any of Arturia's instruments. No jumps at all.
Still, I'd like to know a little more or see soft takeover.
If fader relocation is an issue as it would be with any control device that has a limit to it, the best alternative is motorized faders, i.e Faderport (all types), or HUI with motorized faders. In particular the Faderport have an edge when being used with S1 because the faders can be mapped individually, or globally to plugins, and they work with higher resolution than HUI (with S1).
Just mentioning, because that's available, now.
christophevanalphen wrote: "In DAW mode, I can control the tracks with the Mackie Console preset in external instruments but to control instruments and FX, I have to use the User mode of the keylab which is mapped to the keyboard (not the console)."
User Mode really isn't mapped to the keyboard, per se. It's open to be instructed to use via any standard learn operation, or mapped assignment.
If you can describe a specific situation, I'd be glad to assist.
Thank you for your reply.
In DAW mode, I can only assign 8 knobs and 8 buttons to a plugin. Because the DAW mode is set to pickup on the MK2, I have a smooth transition (no jump) for these 8 knobs but it's pretty limited because we have plenty of knobs and faders on the MK2..
Let's take Mojito as an example.
Goal: "I want to assign Fader 1 to control the Attack filter.
1 - DAW mode is selected on the MK2
2 - Mojito is opened and in focus
3 - "Control" is selected as controller
4 - I click "Attack" and see the target parameter updated
5 - I move the Fader 1 of the MK2
Expected: Fader 1 should appear as "source" to control the Attack Filter (Target)
Current behavior: Attack is replaced by Volume as the target and "fader 1" doesn't appear as Source.
When I switch the MK2 to User mode, (keeping "Control" as selected Midi source), and click Attack (target) then move the Fader 1 of the MK2 (source), then I see Fader 1 updated as source but under Fader 1, I see "Keylab MK2" which is the keyboard controller (Control was expected instead).
When I click the left arrow to assign Fader 1 to Attack and move the Fader 1 then the value of the Attack filter of Mojito jumps to match the value of Fader 1 (MK2)... That's what I want to avoid.
I would like to keep the same smooth transition as I have with Control in DAW mode without being limited to 8 knobs and 8 buttons.
If it works fine for you (in user mode, all knobs, and faders of the 3 banks working fine without jumping), please can you explain how did you set up your midi configuration?
My MIDI configuration is:
In Studio One's Hardware settings, Edit Device:
Under Keylab Control, Receive from: "MIDIIN2 (KEYLAB MKII 49)"
Send to: MIDIOUT 2 (Keylab mkII 49)
Under Keylab MKII, Receive from: "Keylab MKII"
Send to: "Keylab MKII"
I won't be at my studio until tomorrow night, but I'll check. Good example, and sounds like I'd expect the same. You'd want more than the 9 faders, 9 rotaries, and 9 buttons. Though switching them by way of the 3 presets will likely not allow them to latch unless your (in this case) fader set for Attack passes the point where they do latch. That's always inherent with mixer fades as well.
I'll check and follow your steps to the T.
Yeah, I'd also like DAW mode, and User mode to have the same consistency when mapping.
P.s., I see we both voted, as the number jumped from 22 to 24. A good thing.
Not able to check yet, but during lunch I pulled this up from YouTube. Pretty generic, but I'd expect the 8 or 9 faders for example per our discussion to work this way. Located at 11:30. Where focus changes back to his original fader setting.
He also touches on soft take-over at 8:25.
I have another curiosity Chris that seems relevant to the discussion. My Novation SL MKII-25 as I recall would latch back to where faders in the Studio One mixer reside. In other words, they won't jump if they are disabled, then moved due to mouse relocation, or bank change (i.e. going from Bank 1-8 to 2-16, relocating that same fader, then return to 1-8). What happens then is ill move the fader perhaps down, and on the return trip it latches with the Studio One mixer fader. I wonder if it is because the SL MKII is touch sensitive on every fader and rotary encoder, button, etc. So my question then is it really about soft-takeover, or whatever handshaking is going on that makes that scenario sure seem like soft takeover already exists. Albeit, with another controller, or that controller is touch sensitive which assists somehow.
Talk later. Sorry, busy schedule, so I can't check at this time.
Thank Lokeyfly for sharing this video and taking some time to think about my issue
There are midi controllers that have the ability to receive the position of the parameters from the DAW and are programmed to do something with it then it is possible to have a smooth transition (on the controller side). The Behringer BCR 2000 does that (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/behring ... 000-g4464/). Maybe the Novation SL MK2 25 does that too?
On the Keylab Mk2, there is a soft takeover in DAW mode (via Mackie Control) but I didn't find a way to set up the faders to work for the plugins as they do for the volume of the tracks. Maybe it is because of the DAW setting "Studio One" from the MK2.
The other example of a nice soft takeover is when you are in Analog Lab mode with Analog Lab opened. It works like a charm. But the problem of jumping parameters is still the same when you open any instrument from the V-Collection (not via the Analog Lab VST). I've reported the issue to Arturia and they confirmed the bug. I hope they will fix it soon.
Here is a link to screenshots of my midi configuration and the behavior (with Mojito as an example)...
Thanks for your help,
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