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I've recently started using the console shaper as a mix FX. I was wondering what the differences are between the stock console shaper and CTC-1 pro?

Is it worth buying CTC-1 pro?

Thanks, gabo

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by scottyo7 on Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:12 pm
I'd watch one or more of these to help make your decision. ;)

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by Jemusic on Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:03 pm
Overall it is way better than the built in shaper and well worth the expense. There are multiple shapers which offer a very different sound and offer a lot of adjustments etc including a more advanced version of the bundled shaper.

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by darrenporter1 on Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:16 pm
Console Shaper is unusable IMO. Merely a hint at the possibilities of the Mix FX.

CTC-1 is MUCH MUCH better. I was using it at first when I got it but it has since been replaced by Console 1.

BUT I do like CTC-1. It's worth getting if you are not thrilled with Console Shaper. But if you already have another "console emulator" that you are happy with or are seriously considering a different one and you use more than one DAW, I wouldn't waste your money. It's kind of a big expense for a "plugin" that you can only use with one DAW.

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by AriAhrendt on Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 am
darrenporter1 wroteConsole Shaper is unusable IMO. Merely a hint at the possibilities of the Mix FX.

CTC-1 is MUCH MUCH better. I was using it at first when I got it but it has since been replaced by Console 1.

BUT I do like CTC-1. It's worth getting if you are not thrilled with Console Shaper. But if you already have another "console emulator" that you are happy with or are seriously considering a different one and you use more than one DAW, I wouldn't waste your money. It's kind of a big expense for a "plugin" that you can only use with one DAW.

There are still a lot of missunderstandings out there what the Console Shaper is or what Mix FX at all makes different to plugins. First of all... this is probably very hard to understand for so many people, but Mix FX are not Plugins! Console Shaper or CTC-1 are not plugins. You can not compare them with any of the thousands of VST plugins you can buy. Mix Engine FX are able to lever out the mixing engine of the DAW. You can change the entire Mixing engine. No single plugin,... again NO other plugin can do this!

There are a lot of cool products out there with great techniques from other great collegues, like Softube, Slate etc. But... the products you mentioned are only Channel Strip emulations for Inserts. So what you can do is to insert it in any channel of your Studio One or Logic etc. Mixer. BUT... you just insert a plugin in the insert way. That's all. This is not an exchange of the DAW Mix Engine. It is just a Plugin that adds or changes sound of the mixer input for every single channel seperately without knowing from each other. And it is still the same mixer.

I wrote something about some CTC-1 or Mix Engine myths here. Maybe it helps a bit to understand the very important difference to plugins. :)
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by Bbd on Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:13 am
Thanks Ari. That article was great!

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by garybowling on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:35 am
Thanks everyone. Yes I do understand the difference between a regular plugin and the mix FX. That's why I started using console shaper to begin with.

So, since the consensus is that CTC-1 is that much better, I will look for a sale and pick that up!

thanks again for the help!!
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by garybowling on Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:48 am
One more question, while I have all the CTC-1 experts here.

I'm a bit confused by how it works with buses.

For instance, if I have 12 tracks of drums, all going to a drum bus and the drum bus then routes to the main output.

If I put the console FX on the main, does that get processed down to the individual drum tracks in the engine?

It is my understand that it does not and therefore I need to also put the mix FX on the drum bus as well. But I'm not confident that is actually correct. How do the mix FX get treated if there are buses submixing things?

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by darrenporter1 on Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:04 pm
AriAhrendt wrote
darrenporter1 wroteConsole Shaper is unusable IMO. Merely a hint at the possibilities of the Mix FX.

CTC-1 is MUCH MUCH better. I was using it at first when I got it but it has since been replaced by Console 1.

BUT I do like CTC-1. It's worth getting if you are not thrilled with Console Shaper. But if you already have another "console emulator" that you are happy with or are seriously considering a different one and you use more than one DAW, I wouldn't waste your money. It's kind of a big expense for a "plugin" that you can only use with one DAW.

There are still a lot of missunderstandings out there what the Console Shaper is or what Mix FX at all makes different to plugins. First of all... this is probably very hard to understand for so many people, but Mix FX are not Plugins! Console Shaper or CTC-1 are not plugins. You can not compare them with any of the thousands of VST plugins you can buy. Mix Engine FX are able to lever out the mixing engine of the DAW. You can change the entire Mixing engine. No single plugin,... again NO other plugin can do this!

There are a lot of cool products out there with great techniques from other great collegues, like Softube, Slate etc. But... the products you mentioned are only Channel Strip emulations for Inserts. So what you can do is to insert it in any channel of your Studio One or Logic etc. Mixer. BUT... you just insert a plugin in the insert way. That's all. This is not an exchange of the DAW Mix Engine. It is just a Plugin that adds or changes sound of the mixer input for every single channel seperately without knowing from each other. And it is still the same mixer.

I wrote something about some CTC-1 or Mix Engine myths here. Maybe it helps a bit to understand the very important difference to plugins. :)
https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/studio ... ri-ahrendt

Cheers
Ari


You are arguing semantics. It's a plugin. It's not one according to the VST or AU or whatever standards, but it's a plugin - according to your own "standard." You insert it into a channel. It may do things differently under the hood and it may go in a different place, but it's a plugin - and one that you can only use in Studio One.

As to whether or not it does it better than any other plugin (that you CAN use outside of Studio One) is purely subjective. IMO it does not bring anything to the sonic table that other plugins don't. Sorry. If it did, it would go on every track of every one of my songs. And how it sounds... THAT is the bottom line. How it gets there? Who really cares? Yes, it's a cool technology. Yes, I agree CTC-1 does in fact sound pretty good and if it were all I had then I would be happy with it. But, is it really better than the drive character I can get from other plugins? In my opinion, no it is not.

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by Blades on Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:55 pm
On one hand, I listen to Ari and understand that this CTC-1 is inherently different than other VST plugins because it replaces the mix engine rather than just adding/subtracting stuff AFTER the mix engine is done with it. And for that, it's nearly as much different from a VST as an outboard preamp/mixer is - at least that's how I'm processing this information.

On the other hand, I'm with DarrenPorter1 in that the WAY to get to a sound is less important than the sound you got to. It's not only likely but almost 100% factual that most who listen to a recording that is well made are barely going to care how it got to that level of polish, let alone whether it was in a "mix engine" or "VST".

Add to that the fact that most of the examples that you hear of any of these sorts of things - console emulators/replacements/etc, are SO subtle that even when you are listening for them, even when watching the demonstrator push the buttons to engage and disengage them, you are hard pressed to actually hear a difference. Forget about when you get it in a whole mix and have 50 other plugs involved.

But, then we also know that little bits here and there when added together over the course of a mix Really actually DO matter, so hearing them at the individual track level isn't really the point, it's how they add together, like spices in soup - it's not just pepper sprinkled on at the end, it's what each ingredient had done to it along the way that adds up to soup that just tastes better - but you can't put your finger on why.

It's also hard because we hear these things on YouTube and while the sound quality is really good, and likely just as good as anything I am likely to produce by the time it gets on the internet and into the ears of others, I still believe that there IS a difference when running it on our own stuff at the highest quality in the DAW and THEN it makes sense.

All of that being regardless of whether it is CTC-1 or some channel strip/console emulator.

I found that I was able to get a demo of the Softube American Classic as a VST Plugin to get a sense of what the sound and feel of this is (though a few hoops had to be jumped with the iLok software, registration, and all). Even though I don't have a Console One hardware unit to run it on and get the "full effect", I can at least get a feel for whether it really would make a difference to me where I might just slap something like this on every channel in my recording template and use it as a basis for the mix - hopefully reducing the amount of other stuff necessary to "get there".

It's an interesting conversation and would be especially nice to get a real look and hear at a screen share and sound examples where the essence of these was really able to be shown, aside from the EQs and Compressors and such, in a way that was useful as a demo with no hands-on capability.

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by AriAhrendt on Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:48 am
darrenporter1 wroteYou are arguing semantics. It's a plugin. It's not one according to the VST or AU or whatever standards, but it's a plugin - according to your own "standard." You insert it into a channel. It may do things differently under the hood and it may go in a different place, but it's a plugin - and one that you can only use in Studio One.

As to whether or not it does it better than any other plugin (that you CAN use outside of Studio One) is purely subjective. IMO it does not bring anything to the sonic table that other plugins don't. Sorry. If it did, it would go on every track of every one of my songs. And how it sounds... THAT is the bottom line. How it gets there? Who really cares? Yes, it's a cool technology. Yes, I agree CTC-1 does in fact sound pretty good and if it were all I had then I would be happy with it. But, is it really better than the drive character I can get from other plugins? In my opinion, no it is not.


This is exactly what I meant with my introduction sentence of my prev posting. Mission failed! :D

AriAhrendt wroteThere are still a lot of missunderstandings out there what the Console Shaper is or what Mix FX at all makes different to plugins.

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