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I'm seeing a strange issue since I've been using V4. If I loop record 8 takes, for example, then start playing back the takes to choose the best one, after listening to 4 or 5 takes , the content of the next-selected take is shifted to the right by several seconds. This happens even if the take I select is one I played back before that originally played in the correct position. If I use undo to step back to the fist time I played the take. It plays as expected. This is extremely annoying considering the position of takes is critical.

Is anyone else seeing this? I think I'll have to contact support about this but I wanted to find out if others are seeing the same issue.

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by roland1 on Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:46 pm
I recorded some MIDI V-Drum takes today in 4.51 that were all shifted noticeably to the right—my meter is not THAT bad. That much I know. :)

I will have to investigate this further. My buffer was set high. So not really sure yet. I'll test again tomorrow.

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by Nip on Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:18 am
guitarism wroteThis is extremely annoying considering the position of takes is critical.



You don't have to say that again - weirdest thing I read about.

If to replicate - can you provide more details what you did.

Any quantizing going on?
Settings - takes to layers, Replace?

a) midi or audio?
b) all takes as layers listed below track?
c) while on layers list below - they all line up - even with one on track?
d) but as you for the nth time is pushing the up arrow on a layer - on the track it suddenly is shifted right by seconds?
e) then shifting up another take - in the layers list, former on track it line up against the others again?
f) shifting takes while playing back?

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by Nip on Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:25 am
roland1 wroteI recorded some MIDI V-Drum takes today in 4.51 that were all shifted noticeably to the right—my meter is not THAT bad. That much I know. :)

I will have to investigate this further. My buffer was set high. So not really sure yet. I'll test again tomorrow.


I tested some with drums right now - and testing running audio engine of edrums as well as midi from edrums - and recording listening to AddictiveDrums audio from computer while recording..

They line up perfectly - midi and that audio from edrums.
Not that my playing is on the grid all the time - but gives indication.

It's one way to see if midi differ in some way - if to start using the record offset for either midi or audio..

Since AD2 also report 64 samples latency I tested with this ignore pdc setting(wrench on arrange view). I am to decide which route to take - with or without pdc while recording, I leans towards turning off pdc to get metronome click a little earlier.

Maybe you get some ideas what to try....

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by Lokeyfly on Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:36 am
Also

Just wondering if it's a time based linear problem you're encountering.

Try right-clicking the timeline and select timebase = time-linear if it isn't already selected.


Another thing: make sure Ripple Edit is turned off (Cttl + Alt + R). You could be experiencing a shift due to that.

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by roland1 on Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:23 am
My situation may have to do with some settings I adjusted beforehand.

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by Jemusic on Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:03 pm
Unable to reproduce here. I have both Mac and Windows setups so I did this on Mac as the OP is on a Mac. I am on 4.5 here.

I setup a mono audio track and fed in an audio signal from a synth. I set my buffers to 32 samples.
I set record Takes to Layers. I recorded 8 or so layers. All played back with perfect timing or the same timing I used playing in. Promoting any layer to the top position plays back fine for me. I also tried promoting the same take several times and it was still OK.

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by Lokeyfly on Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:56 pm
Ah, I missed 3.5.1. That counts out ripple edit.
I made a bunch of comps tonight with my Martin. No such shifting. I still have v3, on my laptop along with v2, but never saw shifting ever in all the usage.

Maybe the poster could capture that in a video. Other than that, it's up for notifying support.

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by roland1 on Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:01 pm
The OP is using v4. His signature lists v3. That had me fooled. But he's clear that it's a v4 issue.

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by Lokeyfly on Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:54 pm
Got it. Thx for noting. Yes, see that now.

Anyhow no shift seen at anytime, ever.

Another thing I'll do when comping and it potentially could be of help is not comp right next to adjacent comps or events. I'll pull back the neighboring events of that track, then restore later. If I have to hear that track for example punching in or out, I'll start a new track to comp on. That helps isolate comps as well. By and large, there shouldn't be any shift issue, and I've just never come across it.

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by guitarism on Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:52 pm
Good questions.
Audio only
Recorded takes in a loop
Not as layers
Selecting take by right-clicking and selecting take number
The shift occurs even if the selected take is one that previously played back with the correct timing.
If I go back to the same take by using undo, it plays correctly.
This occurs without adjacent events with multiple takes.

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by Jemusic on Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:28 pm
I am still not seeing this. I just tested recording takes in loop (not Takes to Layers) All takes play back perfectly in time for me.

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by Nip on Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:13 pm
guitarism wroteGood questions.
Audio only
Recorded takes in a loop
Not as layers
Selecting take by right-clicking and selecting take number
The shift occurs even if the selected take is one that previously played back with the correct timing.
If I go back to the same take by using undo, it plays correctly.
This occurs without adjacent events with multiple takes.


I'm getting a flashback to running Cubase Elements once upon a time.
In Cubase they call it retrospective recording - meaning collecting data even while transport is stopped - before recording starts.

So even starting at bar 3 - I got data before start of timeline in this buffer.
Elements did not have take lanes so all was stacked upon each other on the track - so I dragged those clips over to a blank track.

At times doing this - if there were data before start of timeline - the clip was shifted into to track, so first data fit also. So I obviously had recorded data enough earlier before I started to record - too large a buffer for that.

In StudioOne there is a setting in Advanced settings - Audio - Pre-recording audio.

Do you have this activated?

Just an idea - I have not been able to repeat in StudioOne, since I turn off this kind of pre-recording stuff which created issues for me.

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by Jemusic on Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:28 am
This has nothing to do with Pre Record Audio Input. I just checked that option and did the test again. Got the same result. All takes are fine and in time. The only thing here is I captured what I played in the time set for Audio Pre Record before the first take.

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by guitarism on Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:29 am
I'm glad it's working for you but for me, this problem makes loop recording very hard to use. I've been using Studio one since 2012. This was introduced in v4.

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by roland1 on Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:47 am
Guitarism:

This morning I actually read through the entire list of fixes for 4.52. It's a long one.

Another way to interpret that information is to realize how much of Studio One was actually broken as a result of releasing 4.5 & 4.51 or earlier versions prior to these.

If your problem is repeatable (by you), then something else may be broken and just because someone else cannot recreate your issue doesn't mean it's not real or problematic to your workflow.

I've encountered a few situations like this where I was wondering if I was alone in experiencing a particular issue. You're not alone. The fixes list for 4.52 suggests that many people are contacting support without reporting their problems with S1 here on this forum, which leaves the rest of us in the dark about it—because the developers don't tell you what they're working to fix, do they...

Moreover, when you're experiencing an issue, it doesn't matter whether you report it right away or not because it's going to shut you down in mid workflow for weeks, or even months, as you wait for the next version.

I have yet to find a DAW that's got it all figured out. But I haven't stopped looking either.



guitarism wroteI'm glad it's working for you but for me, this problem makes loop recording very hard to use. I've been using Studio one since 2012. This was introduced in v4.

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