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Hello all,
Is it possible to put a plug-ins EQ or Compressor on bus or subgroup in a SL Series iii mixer?

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by wahlerstudios on Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:46 am
No, it is not possible to use plug-ins on buses (auxes, subgroups, matrixes, effects). You would need to involve Studio One more additional processing.

Obviously the new plug-ins are integrated to the Fat Channel of all input channels, while the Fat Channel of the buses now feature a 6-band parametric equalizer. Interestingly the Fat Channels of Aux In 1, Aux In 2 and Digital Return also have the plug-in option now, so there might be something developing in the AVB network field. For single mixers (consoles, rack mixers) there is nothing new. Plug-ins can only be used in the Fat Channel of the 32 inputs.

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by golishevsky on Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:25 am
wahlerstudios wroteNo, it is not possible to use plug-ins on buses (auxes, subgroups, matrixes, effects). You would need to involve Studio One more additional processing.

Obviously the new plug-ins are integrated to the Fat Channel of all input channels, while the Fat Channel of the buses now feature a 6-band parametric equalizer. Interestingly the Fat Channels of Aux In 1, Aux In 2 and Digital Return also have the plug-in option now, so there might be something developing in the AVB network field. For single mixers (consoles, rack mixers) there is nothing new. Plug-ins can only be used in the Fat Channel of the 32 inputs.



that's bad. it would be cool to use some plugins in subgroups. I would be very happy for example to connect some sort of britcomp drums mix.
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by wahlerstudios on Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:24 am
I think it's great to be able to use plug-ins in individual channels (we are talking about 32 equalizers and 32 compressors available "on board"!), because this supports my approach to mixing live. Buses (subgroups) with sound processing might be "faster" sometimes, but are the results better?

You mentioned drums as subgroup, which is a very good example to evaluate the pros and cons. We all know that drums are not drums. We need to consider the genre, the style, the drumset, the drummer, the band, the room... By choosing the right microphones and placing them properly, the drumset should sound "good" already. Corrections can easily be done via equalizer, so what do I need plug-ins for?

It might be that I have a certain image in mind, how I want a drumset or parts of it to sound, which means that I want to "form" the sound within the whole "picture". I have always got where I wanted by using the standard equalizer, but I can see now that plug-ins can do a much better job because they add their own color to the sound. Obviously, what is good for the kick, must not be good for cymbals or snare. Individual processing is needed and will definitely lead to better results than just adding some overall sound shaping. It will serve the music and the musician(s) better.

Now that PreSonus is lavishing us with tons of equalizers and compressors with impressive features (paper doesn't blush...), we are asked to "listen" to the plug-ins and find out, what they serve best, when and why. At the moment my favorite is the "Vintage 3-band EQ", especially for drums and percussion instruments. With this plug-in you can make a drumset sound great within seconds - well, maybe one minute... ;-)

Listen to the plug-ins and do not read their "history". The originals will sound better anyway, so take the plug-ins as they are and start listening to them. If they do what you want and need, it's all fine. It's indredible to listen to recordings made with previous generations of PreSonus mixers sound great just by a selective use of plug-ins.

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by tamha on Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:27 pm
Thanks wahlerstudios for your insights.
The ability to use plug-ins compressor and eq on buses and subgroups, will allow me to shape the color of a certain instruments group, for example drum. To fit certain gene of music with one compressor or eq, instead of having to go through 10 plug-ins on 10 separate channels... I know there's a "Scenes" function in UC for this kind of stuff, but plug-ins on subgroups would put this mixer ahead of all competition. Well, actually Behringer already done that for a long time now, on all of their x mixers.

Oh and the funny thing is, most of the demo video for these plug-ins, they were using them on bus in S1 too :D

I really hope that a firmware update in the future will change this.
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by matthewgorman on Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:50 pm
Not sure if the proccessing has the headroom to do it. The best thing to do is put in a feature request in answers, and post the link back to this thread so folks can vote on it. Most features are being sourced from here, where possible.

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by tamha on Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:57 pm
Thanks Matt,
Can I also put in a feature request for...... free "Classic Studio Bundle" with the next firmware update? :P

Almost missed the vintage bundle this time.
Thanks.
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by wahlerstudios on Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:49 am
Now that the Fat Channels of Aux In 1, Aux In 2 and Digital Return have the plug-in option, it will be interesting to see if PreSonus will be able to add the highly demanded plug-ins for buses (flex mixes). This means the mixers (consoles and rack mixers) need to have the "horse power" for 32 additional plug-ins OR there must be possiblity to choose where to use the available and "maxed out" plug-in, like this was done with the graphic equalizers. Why not using plug-ins on flex mixes if you don't need them in the channels?

This whole plug-in thing is new for PreSonus mixers. For 10 years (the StudioLive 16.4.2 was introduced late 2008) we are living with equalizers, compressors, limiters and gates. Chorus and flangers are still literally mentioned in the Series III manual and they were listed as features when the world heard about SL 32 the first time, but they disappeared somehow and quite fast. But there IS hope for more, whenever this will be.

PreSonus has always pointed to Studio One for "additional processing" and actually this works the same way since ten years: Route your input channels to Studio One, in Studio One send the channels you want to process to a bus, add the effect there and route the bus send via "Digital Return" (DigRet) back to the mixer. You can create unlimited buses in Studio One, but normally they arrive at the mixer as one common stereo return. You can also use flex mixes/auxes as returns for Studio One. This has always worked and latency is not a theme if you have enough processing power, but Studio One and a computer need to be involved.

Up to now there is no special processing for flex mixes "on board". Everybody wants plug-ins and multitrack recording on board, so we will see if the Series III hardware can deliver...

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by tamha on Thu Aug 09, 2018 3:54 pm
I don't think the new SL mixers have the same processing power as the older one. Remember Presonus used to use the line "You’ll never run out of signal processors"? They no longer use that line on the series III mixers.

I find it weird that they have plug-ins on the fat channel for aux in. I will have to take a look at that when I get home tonight.

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