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Finally got my hands on SD3 having salivated over it since it was announced- really enjoying it so far but still very much on the learning curve.

It's great to have a grid edit facility but I'm finding it very user unfriendly (as a VSTi plugin in S1) because the cursor in SD3 on the grid edit page is not in sync with the hits on the grid - there's a delay between the cursor position and the relative drum hit (diamond).

When I'm trying to edit I'll look for a visual positioning reference from the cursor for either moving existing hits or placing new ones but I'm being fooled by the incorrect position of the cursor relative to the actual playback/sound I'm hearing!

Possibly a latency issue - but how to fix it, if indeed it can be fixed - any help would be appreciated.

Regards...

p.s. In case your listening Toontrack - why can't my saved EZDrummer 2 song tracks be imported directly in to SD3 complete with song creator blocks? SD3 doesn't recognise the EZ2 file format even though the two programs share so much in common!

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by Steve Carter on Mon May 14, 2018 8:04 pm
Anyway, further to the OP's very interesting post (tongue in cheek emoji required here - how many times have I asked for this emoji - still nada!)..... using SD3 in stand-alone mode and opening the saved SD3 midi song file, then playing the file in the grid editor view, results in the required synchronised cursor position to drum hit (sounding of drum sample) playback.

This leads me to believe that the visual to timing anomaly (what you hear is 'not' what you see) is latency related. As I wish to see/hear playback from the SD3 VTSi in S1 whilst editing (not in stand-alone mode) any clues as to how and if this can be done, avoiding this inverse correlation of cursor/playback (visual-to-sound offset) would be appreciated.

Regards....

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by Tacman7 on Mon May 14, 2018 8:18 pm
Only thing I've done with the grid is to remove hits I didn't like, changing patterns etc.

Do you still have timing problems using a midi track?

I'll have to try writing some with the grid editor.

What is your latency?

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So I went in tonight and put some kicks and snares and hi hats in as bestestiz I could. Seems in time here.

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by Steve Carter on Tue May 15, 2018 4:04 pm
Hi Tacman...

The problem is not the midi track playing in time in the song in S1 it's within the SD3 gui itself where the SD3 cursor in the grid editor page is not synced with the hits on the grid!

This makes midi editing within the SD3 plugin an awful lot harder from a point of view of identifying errant hits and/or inserting/moving hits because you can hear where the edit is required but it's not the same place on the grid, at that particular point in time on the timeline, where the cursor position happens to be. It's not far out, maybe an 1/8th or 1/16th note depending on horizontal resolution, but enough to be perturbing.

Regards....

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by Tacman7 on Tue May 15, 2018 7:01 pm
I understand. I was saying it doesn't appear out of time inside SD3 in my setup when I said:

So I went in tonight and put some kicks and snares and hi hats in as bestestiz I could. Seems in time here.

I remember I had the midi on the track be out of time in cubase which was fixed when I checked the checkbox for USE MIDI TIMESTAMP. We have something similar. Don't know if you've tried playing with the midi settings or if they could fix it.

Hope you get it sorted!

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by Steve Carter on Thu May 17, 2018 4:16 pm
Latency is 330ms (total for song). Have loaded a less busy song with just over 200ms total latency - same result; cursor position in SD3 doesn't reflect accurately the timing of drum hits on the grid....annoying.

Going to try loading just somessaved SD3 midifiles into a new song to confirm if it's a latency issue.

Regards...

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by Tacman7 on Thu May 17, 2018 7:29 pm
I think it has a problem with that latency, I'm running 256 samples which says input latency a little over 5ms as I remember.

What interface?

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by bradch00 on Thu May 17, 2018 7:40 pm
Steve Carter wroteLatency is 330ms (total for song). Have loaded a less busy song with just over 200ms total latency - same result; cursor position in SD3 doesn't reflect accurately the timing of drum hits on the grid....annoying.

Going to try loading just somessaved SD3 midifiles into a new song to confirm if it's a latency issue.

Regards...

Do you have record enabled and do you notice it worse when/if you don't?

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by Steve Carter on Fri May 18, 2018 4:42 pm
Haven't tried with record enabled/disabled but did load an SD3 saved song track into a new S1 song with negligible total latency and the problem goes away in the sense that the drum hits seem aligned with the cursor, which would suggest that it's a latency issue.

This begs the question once more; can this be avoided?

Thanks and regards....

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