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First off, I'm confused about the dither setting in S1. It adds dither on playback and export? It's my understanding that dither should only happen once, as the last thing in your chain when converting from one sample rate to another and exporting. I'm not sure why you would want dither on playback? That being the case, the dither option should appear directly in the various export menus, not buried in a settings page, IMHO.
Also, from admittedly limited testing so far, I'm not finding the S1 dithering algorithm to be very smooth sounding. To me, it does not sound as good as the dithering in the Waves L-2.
I'm curious how others are dealing with dither and if anyone is using the S1 dither.

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by mycbeats on Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:53 am
The reason one may like dithering while playback is that internally Studio One audio engine is operating at 64-bit floating point while most interfaces operate at 24-bit. So you're always bit reducing when playing back.

I personally keep the option off and prefer to use a dither from a limiter at the end of my project page chain.

Always remember its good to use dither, but no great song was ever made un-listen-able by forgetting to apply it.

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by rodshort on Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:19 pm
Thanks for the reply.
That seems to be the way to go, as far as I can tell. I came from Cakewalk/Sonar and it had the Weiss Pow-r dithering algorithms, which are great. I was hopeful that I could just use S1's native dither but, I experimented with it compared to what's available in my Waves L2 and, I hear a noticeable difference between them (The Waves sounds better, smoother in the high end.)
Hopefully in a future update Presonus might switch to a better dithering utility.

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by Tacman7 on Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:39 am
This is the only thing I put on the master:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/psp-xenon

I will have to try turning off dithering and let the plugin do it and compare.

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by mycbeats on Tue Jan 26, 2021 8:59 am
rodshort wroteThanks for the reply.
That seems to be the way to go, as far as I can tell. I came from Cakewalk/Sonar and it had the Weiss Pow-r dithering algorithms, which are great. I was hopeful that I could just use S1's native dither but, I experimented with it compared to what's available in my Waves L2 and, I hear a noticeable difference between them (The Waves sounds better, smoother in the high end.)
Hopefully in a future update Presonus might switch to a better dithering utility.


L2's limiting has a classic sound. its the sound of 2000s pop music.

But dither either does its job or doesn't - there is no "quality",
Perhaps its the noise shaping Presonus is using that you don't like.

Here is a timeless video about sampling, theres a portion on dither.
https://xiph.org/video/vid2.shtml

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by SwitchBack on Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:09 am
rodshort wroteFirst off, I'm confused about the dither setting in S1. It adds dither on playback and export? It's my understanding that dither should only happen once, as the last thing in your chain when converting from one sample rate to another and exporting. I'm not sure why you would want dither on playback?.

Then consider this: If you listen without dither but export with dither then you'll be exporting something you haven't actually heard. Dither on playback is fleeting; it isn't printed or re-used unless you use outboard hardware inserts (which may be another reason to have the dither-on-playback option). So I understand the default=on setting. That way you'll hear what the final product sounds like ;)
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by rodshort on Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:37 pm
SwitchBack - I wonder if S1 dithers when you bounce a track internally?

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by rodshort on Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:41 pm
mycbeats - You may be right, a noise shaping algorithm may be the difference I'm hearing. I know it's a small difference but, I do hear a difference in the high end.

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