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Hi...
Okay, I know for a fact that I'm in a completely unique position here. I really love tuning all of my instruments to Drop G and it has helped a lot. Recently, however, I've noticed that my bass (a lovely Dingwall NG2 no less) is having a slight bit of a... er... problem that I'm not going to get in details with. But here's the main gist of what I need. I've played some songs that have been transposed a fret up from the Drop G tuning and it sounds great sometimes, but I don't want to have to give up my Drop G tuning and tune to Drop G#. I really love my Drop G and I know that all of my songs actually fit better when they're tuned to Drop G and not Drop G#. So I figured I could get the best of both worlds by tuning everything only a quarter step up so that not only do I maintain the Drop G tuning but I also add a little bit more tension on the strings to help with getting the notes hit more correctly, and I get a little bit of that larger-than-life kind of sound I could get from Drop G# without having to sacrifice the Drop G tuning. The problem is that I need all of my virtual instruments to follow suit except for the drums (Impact, Perfect Drums Player, GetGoodDrums, etc). Instead of A=440, I need to be able to tune all of my VST instruments to A=450 so that I get the results as mentioned above. The problem, unlike that of everyone else, is that I need to record at A=450 and not tune the final product to A=450. I've looked everywhere else for something like this to no result. It could be that I'm missing something or it could be that the said feature hasn't been enabled yet but I need some kind of solution now so that I can wait for the feature to be implemented if it hasn't been implemented yet. Thanks guys!
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
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I think if you are wanting to hear your virtual instruments playing at a slightly higher pitch live on the way in, the only real option here is to investigate the master tuning settings for the virtual instruments concerned themselves. Studio One cannot for example transpose by half a semitone on the way in.
Most virtual instruments will offer a master tune setting. They will normally default to A=440 so it depends if you have enough legroom to push it up to say 450 Hz. There is always the after the recording option of course though. Turn the virtual instrument into audio and select the audio event. You will see in the inspector then that you can in fact fine tune the rendered audio.
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Er... not exactly. I need to hear the instruments pitched up a little on my headphones (i.e. on the way out). As for the guitar and bass which I'll be recording with, they'll be actually tuned to A=450.
So what I actually need is some kind of microtuning VST plugin which I can just put on as an effect to get the instruments tuned up just enough to get it to A=450. I know there's such a solution for Ableton Live but I couldn't find anything for StudioOne. Like, I could probably do all that with Massive and FM8 because I technically know how to get those tuned up that way, but I know some instruments don't have that kind of a feature.
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
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The master tuning setting on any virtual instrument is in fact exactly what you need to adjust. That way it will be pitched up slightly with the incoming midi notes. (i.e. you will hear the new pitch as you play in live) So if you set your master tuning to say A= 450 Hz then that is what you will hear.
Do you have a problem adjusting the master tuning of a virtual instrument? The only thing with this though is if it allows you go up that high. Some might only let you tune to say 445 Hz for example and in that case you won't get enough upward pitch adjustment. But you need to get in there and see how far they in fact adjust. I can understand you not wanting to do it after the fact. Update: I just checked quite a few of my virtual instruments and all of them allowed me to do a fine tune adjustment over 1/2 semitone so it can be done that way for sure. MaiTai and Presence can also do it. Although they don't have Mastertune parameters per se they both have fine tuning controls on the oscillators and Presence has an overall fine tune control. In these cases you may need to insert the tuner to make the adjustment.
Specs i5-2500K 3.5 Ghz-8 Gb RAM-Win 7 64 bit - ATI Radeon HD6900 Series - RME HDSP9632 - Midex 8 Midi interface - Faderport 2/8 - Atom Pad/Atom SQ - HP Laptop Win 10 - Studio 24c interface -iMac 2.5Ghz Core i5 - High Sierra 10.13.6 - Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre & Scarlett 18i20. Studio One V5.5 (Mac and V6.5 Win 10 laptop), Notion 6.8, Ableton Live 11 Suite, LaunchPad Pro
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Well I've never dealt with the master tuning feature before... How do I even access that? Maybe I could look into the manual? I'll be right back...
UPDATE: Hrmm... there doesn't seem to be a way to access the master tuning on the manual... so how do I even do it? Virtual instruments I use: Kontakt - GetGoodDrums (X), Orchestral Essentials, Smack (X) Impact - Decay Dubstep Drums (X) Perfect Drums Player - Top Shelf Drums (X) FM8 Massive Presence VSCO2 Community Edition That about covers the VST instruments I use. The ones with the (X) on them do not require any tuning as they are drums.
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
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I do agree master tune settings are not always visible or clear. Some instruments even hide that setting (probably for a good reason too) Master tuning settings will be outlined in the manuals for those instruments.
In Presence for example there is a fine tuning control to the left which effects the overall instrument. For FM8 go to the Master Tune page. Its over on the very left. (Well it is at least with FM7) In Massive each of the three oscillators has a pitch setting which from what I can see allows you to alter the pitch very finely. Sorry I don't have the others you mentioned but with some detective work you will find you will usually be able to do it in fact. Often in a more roundabout way. In some cases where a Master tune control is not available you will usually find the oscillators themselves will allow it. I would use a sine wave etc and the tuner to get this correct as well. It may be fiddly and you may have to spend some time setting all this up but that is downside of what you are wanting to do. I assume once you save a song though all these settings will come back on re-opening.
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In that case wouldn't it be just more manageable to find a plugin that just tunes everything up at the very front of the chain? I know for a fact that I wouldn't use the built-in effects on any of my instruments. For any and all effects I would just add a send on all of them into an FX auxiliary and then just add the said effects afterwards. Unless it's distortion or compression in which case I would add them as inserts.
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
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Yeah for sure but that would be a dangerous plugin because at some point you might forget it is on there and then wonder why everything is a little sharp!
Another option might be to introduce some permanent pitch bend over a midi part. You could cut an paste that over all the instruments as long as the pitch bend range was the same for all of them. You would also have to make sure it was reset back to zero at the end of the parts because many instruments actually remember pitch bend settings even after they are closed down and reopened! I think you could fiddle the master tunings pretty OK and quickly in fact. As I said because you want to do this, its the price you have to pay in order to achieve it. Extra time involved.
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I actually like the pitch bend idea better. Now I just gotta figure out a way to do it...
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
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I can't say for sure, but maybe this video will help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcbj2RqWQ4c
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That video won't help. They are talking about pitch shifting audio after the fact which is not what the OP wants to do. He needs to pitch shift midi data before the fact.
Specs i5-2500K 3.5 Ghz-8 Gb RAM-Win 7 64 bit - ATI Radeon HD6900 Series - RME HDSP9632 - Midex 8 Midi interface - Faderport 2/8 - Atom Pad/Atom SQ - HP Laptop Win 10 - Studio 24c interface -iMac 2.5Ghz Core i5 - High Sierra 10.13.6 - Focusrite Clarett 2 Pre & Scarlett 18i20. Studio One V5.5 (Mac and V6.5 Win 10 laptop), Notion 6.8, Ableton Live 11 Suite, LaunchPad Pro
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Hi guys!
Sorry for the necro but I just wanted everyone to know that I now have Kalium strings on the Dingwall NG2 so physically tuning everything a quarter step up isn't a problem anymore! I must still mention to everyone that having a master tuner where we can adjust the A frequency is still something we should all fight for, because there are a couple songs I have in my mind that requires the A=450 still. I've already voted in favour of the suggestion on the other PreSonus page. I hope all of you do the same!
Studio One 4 Professional 5.2.0 x64
Windows 10 Professional x64 Version 20H2 (OS Build 19042.867) CyberPowerPC GUA600 AMD Ryzen 5 3600 hex-core processor MSI B450 Pro Carbon AC motherboard 32GB G-Skill RAM NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti PreSonus Studio 26C Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Darkglass AO900 amplifier Radial Pro DI/RMP Ibanez RG9QM with one EMG 909X bridge pickup Ibanez RGA8 with EMG 808/808 Dingwall NG2 Laguna Seca Blue Kalium Custom Steel bass strings Ernie Ball Skinny Top Heavy Bottom 9-80 set single bass string (120/145) Joyo Bantamp Zombie Wacom Intuos Pro M |
joonhoahn wroteHi guys! A good start would be for StudioOne to support recording sysex message, since a lot of gear, especially external - rely on sysex for master tuning. It's also part of GM2 midi specs Universal realtime messages. Here feature request to vote for https://answers.presonus.com/7444/sysex ... 7444#q7444 Master Coarse Tuning[GM2] Master Fine Tuning[GM2] F0 7F XN 04 03 SS TT F7 11110000 F0 = Exclusive status 01111111 7F = Universal Real Time 0xxxnnnn XN = When N is received N=0-F, whichever is received. X=ignored 00000100 04 = Sub-ID #1=Device Control Message 00000011 03 = Sub-ID #2=Master Fine Tuning 0sssssss SS = tuning LSB 0ttttttt TT = tuning MSB 11110111 F7 = End of Exclusive Otherwise I think pitchwheel messages could work. I used Waves Tune once to translate a bassline to midi, later for notation purposes. But plugin was so accurate, throw in loads of pitchwheel stuff between notes as well - to accurately represent how strings pitch varied with attack. |
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