I was hoping that the current evolution of AVB will allow me to connect a second series III board in order to provide a completely separate mix for broadcast. I want every thing separate. I want the second board to take the raw channel pre-everything so that I can setup separate EQ, Comp, etc for our broadcast mix. Can we currently do this???
I want to place the board physically in a different isolated location in order to do this mix. I hope we can do this via the Cat5? I have been mixing an Aux mix, but it does not allow me to mix like FOH. I want to be able to create DCA's etc. I want to mix this mix like it was also FOH. Let me know! Thanks, Rod |
Let me clarify....
I have a 32 channel series 3 board to mix FOH at a live venue. I want to connect a 16 channel series 3 board via AVB, Cat5. I want to use the main out on this board to drive a completely separate mix for live broadcast over the internet. Will the series 3 boards allow this kind of connection? I did something like this with Dante on a Yamaha m7cl years ago. I know AVB isn't Dante, but I think it should have a similar capability. It was just a matter of mapping the channels from the board to the inputs on the other device. No sweat. Thanks, Rod |
Is your thinking to run the original analog signal to mixer 1, and have mixer 2 pick up the avb for broadcast from the first mixer?
I am asking for clarification on current capabilities. First consideration is that mac is the only platform with avb support at the moment. It has a routing matrix in the os to manage the steams, but I am not sure on how it would work outside of that. Capabilities like this may be coming down the road as the digital stageboxes are introduced later this year. You would also need a closed network running an avb switch in the mix as well. |
Yes, you are correct. I was hoping to run the analog to Mixer 1, which is connected to a Mac-Mini. I was hoping to plug the 2nd mixer from one AVB to the other AVB, without a switch. But, by what you are saying, I'm assuming the Mac also needs to be in on the audio network. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you are saying that you run the patch-panel (Yamaha language) through the mac.(please confirm) So, I can assign channel 1 input from Mixer 1 to channel 1 input for mixer 2, and so on? I do not intend to have any additional input channels, other than what is going into mixer 1.
With regards to the patch panel/routing... Once the routing is setup, does it store this in the mixer? Or does the mac have to be running to keep everything in sync? Thanks, Rod |
As I am finding out, it may be possible without the mac, with the mixer handling routing duties. And yes, that information would be stored in the scene for the mixer.
Its currently something that is not supported, but coming. |
Mr. Ray Tantzen himself has answered the question and given a date for the implementation of the needed features here: http://answers.presonus.com/16548/series-3-mixer-avb-features.
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I am also vary interested this kind of set up for FOH and Monitor mixer. Is there any word on when this capability will be available. I would hoping to use it for a gig this pasted weekend it does not work obviously. Also will a AVB switch be need regardless of how many devices are on the network, 2 or 5?
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This feature is not available yet. Mr. Tantzen said in his post on May 2 in Answers "Likely in Q3 of this year (2017)", but as it goes with any future update, everything can change... He wrote: " AVB in the Series III is capable of connecting between the 2 mixers to share the inputs of one with the other". I would expect this being possible by a direct connection of the two mixers with a CAT5 cable. If you need to integrate more devices (stageboxes, the personal monitors, computer with AVB), you will need an AVB switch. PreSonus has said that they will release their own AVB switch.
But let me ask, why do you still think in a traditional way? A mixer as FOH does make sense, but on stage? An iPad or a touch screen computer on stage easily replaces a physical mixer at less expenses. Remote Control (iPad, iPhone) has been a real blessing for the musicians and if you think of the coming personal monitor mixers, which will give each musician the control over 16 configurable mix steams, so who needs a "monitor mixer" on stage? Already with AVB I (AI family) we can see how creative musical work can be and what is promised for AVB II really looks impressive. Of course you have to live with the limitation of 32 channels, but otherwise there will be a lot of flexibility in using the equipment. Personally I would not think of a second mixer on stage, but look for the personal monitor mixers. Just my 2 Euro cents. |
But let me ask, why do you still think in a traditional way? A mixer as FOH does make sense, but on stage? An iPad or a touch screen computer on stage easily replaces a physical mixer at less expenses. Remote Control (iPad, iPhone) has been a real blessing for the musicians and if you think of the coming personal monitor mixers, which will give each musician the control over 16 configurable mix steams, so who needs a "monitor mixer" on stage? In the last case, it was due the lack of available equipment to complement the capability of the mixer(Stage Box). I did not have enough channels in my snake to reach FOH. So in the end the mixer was set up on stage and I mixed at FOH using my laptop and a big touch screen. Thus far the mixer is a traditional mixer, granted it has a lot of cool stuff like Remote Control, but until Presonus releases more AVB Ecosystem Components it will remain a Traditional style mixer. |
Indeed, without the "ecosystem" the use of SL 32/24/16 in live situations is restricted. In most cases the mixer has to stay on stage and the mix has to be done via tablet or computer (mouse or touch screen).
Actually this feature is a good PreSonus tradition. The first two generations of SL mixers can also be used this way. I have mixed like this several times and it works well without moving faders. Furthermore with the RM mixers and an AVB network it is even possible to use two CS18AI as "mixers" at FOH and on stage. You don't even need a wired network for the controllers... This thread is about using two different mixers or controllers for different purposes. This was already possible with AVB I and it will also be part of AVB II, but the functionality is not implemented or activated yet. I suppose the implementation comes with the first stageboxes, because the digital stageboxes are AVB network devices. It still says on the SL 32 product page: "A complete ecosystem of AVB solutions, including stageboxes and personal monitor mixers, will be available in 2017". |
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