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Messed with touch sensitivity...but it seems the bottom side of the fader is an area that doesn't make good contact, unlike the topside edge or of course the very top. So...for "nudging" faders up, (pushing from the bottom edge) I'm not always getting reciprocal movement in S1. Therefore have to train myself to actually put my finger ON TOP of the fader and get out of my "nudging" habit!
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by Lokeyfly on Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:11 am
Not here Chris. All faders, all locations working and recording positions accurately.

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:55 pm
Hmmmm. Johnny geib tested his during a live stream...and the backside didn't work on his either

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by jpettit on Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:09 pm
Do you mean sensitive mode (shift+drag) or a touch screen with your finger?

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by chrisharwood on Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:11 pm
I mean pushing the fader, from the side closest to you. The edge of the fader cap doesn't sense finger contact, unlike placing your finger on top...which of course it always does.

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by Lokeyfly on Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:05 am
chrisharwood wroteMessed with touch sensitivity...but it seems the bottom side of the fader is an area that doesn't make good contact, unlike the topside edge or of course the very top. So...for "nudging" faders up, (pushing from the bottom edge) I'm not always getting reciprocal movement in S1. Therefore have to train myself to actually put my finger ON TOP of the fader and get out of my "nudging" habit!
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What's also something I can't detect is the reciprocal movement part. Mine are continuously smooth throughout. I thought that possibly some conductive coating on the fader may have had something to do with it, as someone in another post had mentioned the same problem with a Behringer X touch. Another person commented that could happen due to callused finger tips such as a guitarist. IMO, touch screen yes, but Faderport no, and X-touch I don't have to test. I ran a little test with the FP8, and used a non conductive probe (chop stick) to move the faders, all in different places. There was not the slightest variance of movement, or detection of each fader, registering physically, or viewed on screen.

So the interference you're experiencing may be within the unit, or otherwise But you're obviously detecting something.

I am just not finding any physical positional issues, or what someone deemed, conductive issues with the X-Touch happening on a Faderport. None.

I wonder if you're receiving some interference due to also being connected to some other device, USB, sharing, or other means where resolution is a factor. I read a product review where someone stated the FP8 showed more "screen lag" (not physical) outside of using Studio One. Evidently, there is some decreased Fader res when the FP8 is not used with S1. All I know is, I haven't seen any of it. Not in PT, Reason, PT, or Nuendo. Yes, only 4 faders work with other programs for plugin assignments (which is pretty inexcusable, Presonus!).

But inconsistencies do happen. How much stock we can put in those claimers/reviewers/uhem experts is another.

Hope you find out what the reciprocal and positional problem is though Chris, as that has to be annoying in practical usage. Can't be too rewarding, when doing some critical fader work. That's for sure.

Look to what also may be tied in via shared track/channel, device. For example compare the FP8's fader movements in a brand new and non template used song. Is it then acting better?

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by jpettit on Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:25 pm
chrisharwood wroteMessed with touch sensitivity...but it seems the bottom side of the fader is an area that doesn't make good contact, unlike the topside edge or of course the very top. So...for "nudging" faders up, (pushing from the bottom edge) I'm not always getting reciprocal movement in S1. Therefore have to train myself to actually put my finger ON TOP of the fader and get out of my "nudging" habit!
Anyone else!

OK got time to test this today.
Let's talk about how touch sensitivity works. It through an electrical process called capacitance. Just like the touch sensitive light switches that have been around for decades.

The sensor has to detect a change in capacitance. If your finger is grounded to the chassis it shorts your body capacitance out.

Its sensitivity is the same if you do not rest your finger on the chassis. Try it. Although it is not comfortable it works the same as touching from the top ( isolated from a ground)

NOTE: For micro adjustment, the Ctrl modifier on your keyboard still take effect so you can have one hand on you Ctrl key and the other on the fader for micro moves.

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by Lokeyfly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:50 am
The whole idea these faders work in certain places over others and that varied pressure occurs is likely not a condition of point of contact. That works very well on numerous touch sensitive hardware without fail. Top, sides, front, back, and even without ones finger to fader contact.

It could very well be some signal conflict. Which is why I suggest minimising a song completely and checking it then.

The varied pressure resistance might still occur even then, so if that happens, you'll need to contact tech support.


JPettit wrote (on capacitance) "Its sensitivity is the same if you do not rest your finger on the chassis. Try it.".

Exactly.

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:22 am
I'm not sure I'm totally understanding some of the above posts...but I can definitely say I can push a fader from the backside...either touching the chassis or not...all the way to the top, and the DAW slider does not move. I touch the top of the fader and it then jumps to the position.

I CAN touch the forward edge (unlike the backside edge) and all works.

I"ll make a video.. btw...tested on many, many sessions...blank as well using the master.

I noticed it because I'll tend to forget and nudge the fader up.. I thought at first it was the contact (or lack of), with pushing with my fingernail...but not so... it's the "dead area" on the backside of the fader.

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:56 am
Here is the video of what I'm describing. This video is UN-listed at YouTube, as I do NOT want any bad demos of this fine piece of kit available to the general public, for those surfing YouTube or my channel. However, the link to the video is below:

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 10, 2018 11:02 am
quick, additional info...
I'm using the supplied USB connector, directly to my computer (specs below). No hub, etc. I can replicate this in any song session and results are always consistent to the above video.

I ALSO have to touch the fader with my finger. If I use a pencil, etc... the fader will never move, no matter where the pencil contacts the fader cap.

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by Lokeyfly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 12:27 pm
There's something up, there for sure, Chris.

When I touch as soft as possible on the front, back, sides, or underneath of the faders, the S1 mixer registers the change. However, I did notice that if I used my fingernail, it did not register, so disregard my point of using the wooden chopstick probe. I should have known better that there's a very small amount of milliohms to produce conductivity there. The faders still moved easily though with the nail. no difference. Just no info on screen.

Presonus better check their source of these faders. Perhaps they are different? Even the manufacturer may have made faders from different lots. My last company I worked at dealt with such things often for miliitary grade euipment. Such things are checked, rechecked, and checked again for traceability.

Not saying it's that, but what the heck is it then? You're seeing this with any song.
Woth IM'g Johnny (themuic), to see what he's experienced since you mentioned it occuured with him.

I'll bow out, as I'm not having the issue, but I'll monitor your post, or if you need to find out something.

Good vid for reference to the problem. :thumbup:

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:28 pm
I contacted support to see if this is normal. Sent a message to Johnny as well. He's getting back from Mexico, I believe.

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by chrisharwood on Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:33 pm
jpettit wrote
NOTE: For micro adjustment, the Ctrl modifier on your keyboard still take effect so you can have one hand on you Ctrl key and the other on the fader for micro moves.

I'm not understanding this. Holding "Ctl", "Shift"....etc...or any combination, has no affect on how the faderport 8 works...at least on mine.
Holding "Shift" and using the mouse does, however.

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by jpettit on Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:38 am
Have you calibrated your sliders?
My unit doesn’t behavior like yours at all. If I just slightly touch it on the bottom side of the slider with my hand floating it moves in S1 even with subtle movement.

Shift is s modifier for micro changes with the S1 faders.

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by chrisharwood on Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:56 am
jpettit wroteHave you calibrated your sliders?
My unit doesn’t behavior like yours at all. If I just slightly touch it on the bottom side of the slider with my hand floating it moves in S1 even with subtle movement.

Shift is s modifier for micro changes with the S1 faders.


I've been told my faderport is acting normal and will potentially vary from user to user on touch sensitivity.

Using shift AND my faderport, does nothing. Yes...Shift +...and the mouse, of course.

I'll investigate further... why not!! ?? :-D

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by chrisharwood on Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:09 am
yeah...I have my sensitivity on 7..the max (1 is even worse). If I BARELY touch it on the back side, is when the contact is not made. However, my sliders move so easily, it doesn't take much to push them up. A more direct "push"...and usually it works.

All in all, this really is such a minor issue for such a fantastic piece of hardware. I still can't believe how affordable it really is, for what it can do.

I REALLY could use more faders though...and a life mixer isn't needed in my setup. Besides, I think the faderports actually have more control, versus the mixers.

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by jpettit on Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:04 am
So you ran the calibration routine?

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by chrisharwood on Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:26 pm
jpettit wroteSo you ran the calibration routine?

I didn't see an actual calibration routine...but just went into "setup" mode and adjusted the "touch sensitivity", fader speed....stuff like that.
I have the latest update of course too.

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by jpettit on Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:36 pm
Not by my equipment this weekend but look around the set up mode. There used to be a 3 minutes calibration routine.

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