I dont know how you guys are selling this 'new' window system as a good thing, I mean this is crazy. I cant click away windows. There is literally no z-ordering, everything just stay on top of each other forever. If I want to have any hope of working with multiple instruments and still see my project, I need a gigantic monitor so I can move the instruments away from the project view.
Why couldnt you just make this into regular windows windows that move into the background when you click on another one? I dont get it. It's just so obviously terrible, I dont know who is taking crazy pills here. What does the pin button in the top right corner even do? It's just there as a joke / decoration? That's what pinning a window should be like. It should make it always stay in the foreground. Instead that's what the windows do ALL the time, whether pinned or not.
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It's not complicated: 1) plugin window open at a time, unless 2) you have the windows pinned which allow you to open multiple windows.
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Haven't seen any new window behaviour here, traktortoni. Perhaps you could give some details about your system. If you put it in your sig, as most people here do, we won't have to ask again. Thanks.
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Obviously you're having a bad day and a hard time with Studio One.
I'd suggest watching some PreSonus tutorials located at the bottom of your account/product page or actual User tutorials on YouTube. And for the "Windows" OS, all opened folders eventually get covered by succeeding opened folders. In other words, the most recent opened 'window' will have the "Focus".
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My windows do come to the front when clicked.
Please put your specs in your signature including any modification to the desktop you might be running.
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Ok thanks
HDMI Mode on or off? No add on task bar managers or touch screen etc? If you just open S1 to the start window and a browser do they toggle? You most likely have changed something in the default behavior. Google "Windows no longer show in front". https://www.tenforums.com/general-suppo ... front.html
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It says "Output Type: HDMI", yes I'm using an HDMI cable.
All other windows and applications work perfectly fine, I literally only have this problem with Studio One 3. I dont have any taskbar addons, it's a regular windows 10 installation. > If you just open S1 to the start window and a browser do they toggle? Yes, S1 and OTHER windows toggle around just fine. It's only the instruments window from S1 that is making these problems. No offense but I straight up just dont believe you that this isnt the default behavior. I have seen videos on youtube of people who have to move windows around in S1 too. There is no way that I'm the only one with this problem.
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My Instrument and FX windows stay on top of the main SO3 window too. I wouldn't have it any other way.
I use a large 4K monitor so it's easy to position them out of the way, but easy to get to. I can see where this would be a pain on a smaller display. The only viable option I see to open them when you need to tweak, then close them. I just checked SONAR and Reaper. They both behave the same way; they keep Inst/FX GUIs on top of their main windows. |
Well that's nice for you but for 99% of the people, these always-on-top floating alertbox like windows are very weird. I dont care if other DAWs do it too, it's still bad.
I still dont know what the pin does btw.
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Plugin windows, which your image shows, an instrument plugin window, are supposed to stay on top of the application or editor or every time you clicked a mixer or editor window or the main application window the plugin or instrument UI would disappear behind the much larger application or editor or mixer window.
IIRC, Reaper users were complaining about the exact opposite thing, that plugins didn't stay on top unless you pin them down. You'd tweak a mixer channel and the plugins would disappear behind the detached (and often full screen and maximized) mixer window. Plugins should stay on top by default, and do in most audio workstations I've ever used. |
traktortoni wroteWell that's nice for you but for 99% of the people, these always-on-top floating alertbox like windows are very weird. I dont care if other DAWs do it too, it's still bad. The pin keeps the currently displayed GUI open so you can open another one without the first being hidden. I didn't always have a large display. With smaller displays, I close the FX/Inst GUIs when I'm done tweaking, or I grab a corner or edge and slide all but completely off of the display to one side or the other. I do use a laptop on occasion and even then I don't want smaller windows lost behind larger windows. I won't pretend to know the minds of 99% of the users, but the number of posts complaining about this don't match up with that high of a dissatisfaction %. |
traktortoni wroteWell that's nice for you but for 99% of the people, these always-on-top floating alertbox like windows are very weird. I dont care if other DAWs do it too, it's still bad. If you have one instrument that you have dragged in or activated vie the track, you wouldn't want it to instantly disappear when you have clicked on any other part of the GUI. For example if you were to drag an effect from the browser onto the instrument, the instrument would disappear and be lost from view so you would have nothing to drag the effect to. The pin prevents the current instrument or instruments, disappearing when another instrument is added. So the pin has no function unless followed by another action. When you create an instrument, you create a tab, add another instrument and you have a tab next to the previous. Indirect to your particular issue but worth mentioning is that this particular tab aspect could be improved because in big complex 150 track projects, it's difficult to see and manage where you are.(Lack of colour code marking and tab grouping) Could Studio One provide more flexibility in terms of usability and the ability for the user to configure how they interact with the user interface...well yes..but in this particular interaction aspect of this gui framework, this is one area that makes the most practical sense of what one would expect.
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traktortoni wroteIt says "Output Type: HDMI", yes I'm using an HDMI cable. OK Issues/behaviors are getting mixed here (again). Is this statement of you issue accurate:? 1) not talking about pinned FX staying in front of S1. 2) Talking about other non S1 windows staying in front of S1 application( including any sub windows) Is that a clear statement of the behavior you are seeing? Note: no need for opinions just a need for more clarity as this is not a normal behavior. Thanks
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> 2) Talking about other non S1 windows staying in front of S1 application( including any sub windows)
I never said that, in fact in my last post I again pointed out that this is NOT the case. I dont know why you eve thought this. > 1) not talking about pinned FX staying in front of S1. again: yes, it's annoying that all those little floating windows are always on top. External Devices, Instruments, etc.
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traktortoni wrote> 2) Talking about other non S1 windows staying in front of S1 application( including any sub windows) OK we are all are totally lost on your issue. Your video shows (2)
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traktortoni wroteWell that's nice for you but for 99% of the people, these always-on-top floating alertbox like windows are very weird. I dont care if other DAWs do it too, it's still bad. Having used DAWs since the late 90s, this is the very first time I've heard this complaint. No kidding. And in every environment I remember using, this has been the way separate plugin windows work. If they didn't, that would be a real pain, in my opinion -- I'm not surprised people have complained about windows not having this behavior in Reaper way back. In other words, your tone and the whole "99% of the people" thing is completely unwarranted and drawn out of a hat based on your personal feelings about it. The best thing would be an option to allow either way of working. Again, I'm guessing it isn't available simply because it hasn't occurred to anyone that this de facto way of working was undesirable for some reason. |
Traktortoni wrote: I dont know who is taking crazy pills here. What does the pin button in the top right corner even do? It's just there as a joke / decoration? The pins are designed to make you crazy. See how well it's working? Seriously, I've seen the option in some DAW to select if you wish plugins (where you'll see pins) to stay on top. I just can't remember where. It's largely a benefit to have them remain on top,, for example, you can easily change what channel or track, that same plugin window will change to, by clicking on any particular channel or track. A single click and its done. Your way would lose the plugin altogether. Instruments remain as they are necessary while working, unless you select some other instruments open button. Pins are for numerous plugins. Again, I'd be in favor if there was an option for plugs and or instruments residing on top.
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