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And for those who don't like Gobbler, there is no need to install the Gobbler App if you don't want, all you need is an account, then download the offline installers from your Softube account.


Does Tape work with iLok? I'm not interested in any other type of installers or security measures associated with plugins, that's why I won't touch Steinberg plugins or Waves plugins or IK Multimedia plugins etc
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by jih64 on Mon Jun 12, 2017 12:49 am
You need an iLok account, but you don't need a physical iLok dongle, you can use the iLok software licenser thingy, I imagine you should be able to use the hardware iLok dongle if you so desired, I don't use the ILok dongle so can't say for sure.
You need a Gobbler account, which will be created when you either purchase or download the demo, but you do not need to install the Gobbler app. Once purchased or signed up for the demo you just go to you Softube account and download the offline installer.

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by multifederal on Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:03 am
jih64 wroteYou need an iLok account, but you don't need a physical iLok dongle, you can use the iLok software licenser thingy, I imagine you should be able to use the hardware iLok dongle if you so desired, I don't use the ILok dongle so can't say for sure.
You need a Gobbler account, which will be created when you either purchase or download the demo, but you do not need to install the Gobbler app. Once purchased or signed up for the demo you just go to you Softube account and download the offline installer.


I do everything on an iLok dongle. Need a gobbler account? Goodbye softube! This Gobbler garbage; not on my ship.
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by jih64 on Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:21 am
It's not that bad, it happens automatically when you purchase or download the demo, totally painless, just a formality, and nothing to install, nothing to worry about, you'll hardly know you had to do it.

But I understand, it's your choice, I refuse to use iLok dongle, and for a long time refused to use any software or anything associated with PACE, but I gave in a little, and installed the iLok/PACE software licenser, glad I did, got some very nice software I would otherwise would have missed out on, and have had no issues with PACE, still refuse to use the dongle though.

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by multifederal on Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:29 am
Happens automatically, you say? I suspect you're understating it. I bet there's details or info of some sort required, and thetefore not automatic or unobtrusive.

I'll just wait for Steven to release several new Tape types for VTM, which he has said are coming.

If any plugin developer requires anything other than iLok, they won't get my business, simple as that.

There are entire DAWs and sets of plugins that are not even copy-protected at all, and that's how I like it. But I can understand that renowned and high-caliber plugins from the likes of Slate or Exponential Audio require protection; iLok or the highway, that's the way I roll.
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by sbushman18 on Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:52 am
How exactly does this process. If I feed a tone through a channel and put Tape on and output buss insert I can follow with an analyzer and see all of the harmonics that are added. If I use the MixFX feature I don't see anything happening on the analyzer. I hear it in the mix for sure, but why can't I visualize it the same as when I have it on an insert?
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by jpettit on Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:56 am
sbushman18 wroteHow exactly does this process. If I feed a tone through a channel and put Tape on and output buss insert I can follow with an analyzer and see all of the harmonics that are added. If I use the MixFX feature I don't see anything happening on the analyzer. I hear it in the mix for sure, but why can't I visualize it the same as when I have it on an insert?

I am debugging this scene with the developers right now. ( I assume you ne hierarchically ie bus feeds bus).
WIll let you know.
This is how it suppose to work in theory.
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by Robert Johnson III on Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:07 pm
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Robert Johnson III wroteNot so lightweight? Does this only when pressing play and is on the mixbus.
Screen Shot 2017-06-11 at 18.22.04.png


Console Shaper on the other hand.... Also on the mixbus, same config and arrangement
Screen Shot 2017-06-11 at 18.25.07.png

True is is related to the number of tracks in the song.
I did some tests on a benchmark song with 140 tracks and 100 unique plugins.

I put it on the main bus and it change the songs from 13% to 66% utilization of my system AMB windows performance window. The individual plugins number was 629? which means those cannot be % numbers in the S1 performance window.

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1) Very consistence thread utilization.
2) No pops with DP set to high,
3) Putting 140 discrete VST3 version of it raised the total system % to 73% so the Mix FX is working better than the alternative approach with the same plugin.


What surprised me was the difference in performance compared to the Console Shaper (with the same scenario). My arrangement as shown in the screen shots has 20 track, not 140….

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by jBranam on Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:15 pm
try to understand that console shaper and ctc-1 are developed by presonus and are integrated. softube is a 3rd party developer and it is their code... they are just slipping it in to work with S1. so although it is a mixFX plugin ... i wouldn't expect it to be as efficient guys. jus' sayin' cheers


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by jih64 on Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:32 pm
multifederal wroteHappens automatically, you say? I suspect you're understating it. I bet there's details or info of some sort required, and thetefore not automatic or unobtrusive.

I'll just wait for Steven to release several new Tape types for VTM, which he has said are coming.

If any plugin developer requires anything other than iLok, they won't get my business, simple as that.

There are entire DAWs and sets of plugins that are not even copy-protected at all, and that's how I like it. But I can understand that renowned and high-caliber plugins from the likes of Slate or Exponential Audio require protection; iLok or the highway, that's the way I roll.


No I don't think I am understating it, I didn't have a Softube account before, and from memory it was all taken care of when opening my Softube account, just a matter of Name, Email, iLok ID and done, the Gobbler account thing I am sure was created automatically during Softube account creation. It was quite painless to be honest.

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by brettgoodkin on Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:05 am
Guys... Can we just not get into the gobbler is evil and softube can kiss my money goodbye routine?

Precisely none of us care to indulge one another's takes on developer business models or copy protection.

That's what gearslutz is for.

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by AriAhrendt on Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:00 am
sbushman18 wroteHow exactly does this process. If I feed a tone through a channel and put Tape on and output buss insert I can follow with an analyzer and see all of the harmonics that are added. If I use the MixFX feature I don't see anything happening on the analyzer. I hear it in the mix for sure, but why can't I visualize it the same as when I have it on an insert?

It depends where you doing the measurement. Did you see my picture in this posting
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This was a normal routing with a sine wave and mix fx tape inserted in the main out.
Followed by a main out inserted spectrum analyzer.
You should get exactly the same result.

Ari


ps: I attached a test song. If you own the Tape plugin, just load it and press play.
You should see this.
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by jih64 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:22 am
brettgoodkin wroteGuys... Can we just not get into the gobbler is evil and softube can kiss my money goodbye routine?

Precisely none of us care to indulge one another's takes on developer business models or copy protection.

That's what gearslutz is for.


I'm not praising nor knocking Gobbler or anything, just answering a question asked by another user, trying to help and show that it is actually painless, I see nothing wrong with that, I've said all I'm going to say, but even if i hadn't your comment would have zero impact on that decision, no offense intended.

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by jasonpanks on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:53 am
Can this & any other Add-on be used on more than one computer simultaneously?

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by matthewgorman on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:58 am
jasonpanks wroteCan this & any other Add-on be used on more than one computer simultaneously?


You need to check with Softube. If you are able to use an ilok account, or similar licensing process, then the answer is probably yes. If using in another daw, you will be limited to VST version.

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by sbushman18 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:10 pm
AriAhrendt wrote
sbushman18 wroteHow exactly does this process. If I feed a tone through a channel and put Tape on and output buss insert I can follow with an analyzer and see all of the harmonics that are added. If I use the MixFX feature I don't see anything happening on the analyzer. I hear it in the mix for sure, but why can't I visualize it the same as when I have it on an insert?

It depends where you doing the measurement. Did you see my picture in this posting
viewtopic.php?p=143363#p143363

This was a normal routing with a sine wave and mix fx tape inserted in the main out.
Followed by a main out inserted spectrum analyzer.
You should get exactly the same result.

Ari


ps: I attached a test song. If you own the Tape plugin, just load it and press play.
You should see this.
S1-TapeMultiMain.PNG


Yes, I am able to duplicate that result, but inserted as Mix FX it should still be outputting the effect through the master buss. If it isn't, any processing you do on the master buss isn't getting the saturation from the plugin. If that's the case, I expect it would be a bug. There's certainly no reason for the wet output of the plug to bypass the entire master buss. EVERYTHING, should get piped through there.
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by jpettit on Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:26 pm
You did not tell us where you're putting the tape mix effect versus what else you have in line.

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by jasonpanks on Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:03 pm
matthewgorman wrote
jasonpanks wroteCan this & any other Add-on be used on more than one computer simultaneously?


You need to check with Softube. If you are able to use an ilok account, or similar licensing process, then the answer is probably yes. If using in another daw, you will be limited to VST version.


Yes, I have iLok. I'm looking to drop ProTools & switch over to S1. To my understanding my PT12 & waves plugins I've already purchased are a 1 computer at a time. Whereas with S1 Pro 3.5 I can install it @ home (MacOS) & at my other studio setup (Windows 10), with 1 license.
I'm wanting (hoping?) I can buy "Tape" or "CTC-1" one time & use it simultaneously on both computers if needed. If this is better asked in another thread, could someone direct me which one, please? Thanks!

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by sbushman18 on Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:45 pm
jpettit wroteYou did not tell us where you're putting the tape mix effect versus what else you have in line.


If I put it as an insert on the master bus I can see the saturation happen in the analyzer behind it.

If I put it as MixFX on the master, so that all my tracks are piped through it, the saturation does not show up at the end of the master bus.
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by jpettit on Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:16 pm
Please read the mix fx handbook.
It explains where the harmonic distortion occurres.
Mix fx are not plugins. They are part of the mix process and affect inputs.
Have said that the distortion flows though the signal flow to the master buss if that is where you put it.

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