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I have been working on this for a long time now. I just can't leave it alone. It now has 4 guitar parts none of which are great, but I am trying...

Comments good or bad are always welcome.

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by scottyo7 on Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:57 pm
Four guitars... I'm in!
I really like this and the vibe/layout.

But it seems to lack definition in the highs and lows... it kind of sounds like only the mid-range is engaged. The waveform indicates possible over-compression as you may have been trying to make it "Loud"?

Although, I'm no stellar producer here's one of mine as to what I go for... that also has 4 guitars. Notice the 2 rythym guitars at the right and left and the other 2 guitars doing doubled and counter riffs here and there. To my ears, I can hear each one.

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by sirmonkey on Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:56 pm
I like the composition, and the playing is just fine.

Sounds over-compressed though, with obvious pumping and a "fluttery" sound. And it sounds like this is happening on the master bus. Any chance that you could re-post the mix without any compression on the master?

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by rogerhinton on Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:47 am
scottyo7 wroteFour guitars... I'm in!
I really like this and the vibe/layout.

But it seems to lack definition in the highs and lows... it kind of sounds like only the mid-range is engaged. The waveform indicates possible over-compression as you may have been trying to make it "Loud"?


Thanks... I noticed after I posted it that it seemed a bit flat and lacking dynamic range, so I reposted it with some changes. It still sounds muddy to me, but then I really can't trust my ears anymore. I must be spending too much time with the headphones and not enough listening through speakers. I'm not using any compression only a slight limiter on the main.

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by rogerhinton on Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:49 am
sirmonkey wroteI like the composition, and the playing is just fine.

Sounds over-compressed though, with obvious pumping and a "fluttery" sound. And it sounds like this is happening on the master bus. Any chance that you could re-post the mix without any compression on the master?


Thanks for your input. I felt it sounded compressed even though I am not using compression on any track or the mains, only a limiter to smooth out the peaks.

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by sirmonkey on Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:12 pm
Sounds a lot better this time around. Maybe this time around, you're not pushing the limiter nearly as much? * I do consider a Limiter as a specialized compressor. And an aggressive one, at that.
Anyway, the pumping is gone, and you definitely improved the mix.

The mix could be brighter, and I do have a possible suggestion besides EQ-ing. There are a few plugins by Melda productions, which can transform soft sounds in the spectrum to loud, which is controlled by a transformation curve. This is hard to explain, and I forget which plugins have this feature. But I did see a video where this was used, and it brightened up the mix, while keeping the bass nice and punchy. It was like a mix brightener + compressor.

I will try to hunt down the video. Hopefully, one the free plugins has this feature.

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by sirmonkey on Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:05 pm
O.K. - found it!The plugin that I was thinking about is called MTransformer. In the video, the function I was referring to is at 8:44 in the video.
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MTransformer is a paid video, but MWaveshaper is free, and I think that it can achieve the function outlined in the video. But since I'm not sure, I will test this and get back to you.

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by rogerhinton on Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:13 am
sirmonkey wroteSounds a lot better this time around. Maybe this time around, you're not pushing the limiter nearly as much? * I do consider a Limiter as a specialized compressor. And an aggressive one, at that.
Anyway, the pumping is gone, and you definitely improved the mix.

The mix could be brighter, and I do have a possible suggestion besides EQ-ing. There are a few plugins by Melda productions, which can transform soft sounds in the spectrum to loud, which is controlled by a transformation curve. This is hard to explain, and I forget which plugins have this feature. But I did see a video where this was used, and it brightened up the mix, while keeping the bass nice and punchy. It was like a mix brightener + compressor.

I will try to hunt down the video. Hopefully, one the free plugins has this feature.


Thanks again for the input. My biggest problem with mastering a mix is my hearing loss. I pretty much cannot hear anything above 5K and use the visual reference of the FFT spectrum meter to help me not over do the highs or the lows. I also have pretty bad low pitch loss in my left ear, so I cannot tell if I am pushing too much bass. However, I have been around music my whole life so I probably won't be giving it up any time soon...

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by sirmonkey on Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:00 am
Ah, I see. You're doing very well with the limitations you have. I've heard a lot stuff by youngsters that really doesn't stack up to what you're doing.

I have verified that MWaveshaper can accomplish what I have described, and it's free. HOWEVER...

The effect in practice is subtle, at least on the mix I have tested. And it distorts very quickly. In short, there is a small window to get the desired effect, and it's easy to add a lot of distortion. Given how you've described your hearing loss, I think that the idea I posted would lead you astray. It would be probable that you would introduce a lot of noise and distortion that you wouldn't be able to hear.

So, really, keep doing what you're doing, keep posting for the perspective of others, and keep enjoying yourself!

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by jpsbuk on Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:38 pm
With the issues you are describing regarding your hearing I think this is pretty miraculous :)

It does seem to lack a bit of 'sparkle' so maybe could do with the higher frequencies being boosted (or not cut) just a little. Apart from that sounds very nice (both sound and composition)

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by rogerhinton on Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:33 pm
jpsbuk wroteWith the issues you are describing regarding your hearing I think this is pretty miraculous :)

It does seem to lack a bit of 'sparkle' so maybe could do with the higher frequencies being boosted (or not cut) just a little. Apart from that sounds very nice (both sound and composition)


I really wish I could hear "sparkle"...

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