Capture 1.x and Capture 2.x
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Hello!

I'm hoping someone has also had this situation.

We are running into an issue when we import the Capture file into Studio one. The mix we have created for our band sounds great in Capture. We want to replicate this same sound in Studio one so we can export each track individually (and overall mix down) in order to send off for mastering. We have followed the procedure and opened the Capture file in Studio which appears to have brought over all of the DSPs (FAT channel) and fader positions. Unfortunately upon playback it does not sound the same as the playback from Capture.

The gains on many channels are clipping whereas they were not clipping and recorded fine in Capture. We find we have to drop the volume/fader of each channel which affects the sound/tone of each channel and the final product sounds terrible when we get it within non-clipping gain ranges.

It's been a frustrating task knowing we have a great mix but can’t get a mix down or individual tracks exported in the exact same format to be mastered.

Any assistance would be appreciated!

Thanks,
James
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by jamesramler on Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:51 am
Also,

A great added feature that would solve all of these problems would be the option to output files directly from Capture applying the DSPs that are applied during playback.

Currently Capture2 writes files to the hard drive of the computer that is recording and they are raw files. These do not have the DSPs of the board applied. When you play back, it runs the raw file through the board, applying DSPs and then you get your output.

It would solve many problems if we could export the tracks from Capture with DSPs applied - or an option to write new files applying them.
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by wahlerstudios on Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:23 pm
There is absolutely no issue or problem with Capture. It works exactly how it was designed to work: it delivers simple, fast and pure recording...! What you open in Studio One, is the "recording project", which contains elements like Fat Channels and makes these settings accessible in the DAW. It does sound different, because it lacks the sound of the console, So, if you are happy with your mix, why don't you do the mixdown on your console and record the console's stereo sum in Capture? There is no easier and faster way than doing exactly this. Mix on your console and master in Studio One...!

Capture has never been meant to be something different than a functional multiitrack recorder (it is a stripped down version of Studio One) and it has a reason, why everybody prefers the "raw" material it delivers. It is the DAW, where you create the sound - or the fast mixdown via a console. You can record more than just the input channels. There are at least two more tracks, usually four or even six more, which you can add to the final mix. This might be Mains L/R or effects, you can also record auxes and subgroups.

The "better" alternative is to record via Studio One with all processing involved. The StudioLove mixers of all generations have always been perfect tools for musicians and PreSonus has been the inventor of the fast and easy multitrack recording, based on FireWire. But do not await more from Capture, than it will ever deliver. Do not try to work against the software. Simply take it as it is, a perfect recording and playback tool.

Hope this helps.

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by jamesramler on Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:57 pm
wahlerstudios wroteThere is absolutely no issue or problem with Capture. It works exactly how it was designed to work: it delivers simple, fast and pure recording...! What you open in Studio One, is the "recording project", which contains elements like Fat Channels and makes these settings accessible in the DAW. It does sound different, because it lacks the sound of the console, So, if you are happy with your mix, why don't you do the mixdown on your console and record the console's stereo sum in Capture? There is no easier and faster way than doing exactly this. Mix on your console and master in Studio One...!

Capture has never been meant to be something different than a functional multiitrack recorder (it is a stripped down version of Studio One) and it has a reason, why everybody prefers the "raw" material it delivers. It is the DAW, where you create the sound - or the fast mixdown via a console. You can record more than just the input channels. There are at least two more tracks, usually four or even six more, which you can add to the final mix. This might be Mains L/R or effects, you can also record auxes and subgroups.

The "better" alternative is to record via Studio One with all processing involved. The StudioLove mixers of all generations have always been perfect tools for musicians and PreSonus has been the inventor of the fast and easy multitrack recording, based on FireWire. But do not await more from Capture, than it will ever deliver. Do not try to work against the software. Simply take it as it is, a perfect recording and playback tool.

Hope this helps.




Hello WahlerStudios,
First off, thank-you for taking time to read and comment. We appreciate any insight others can provide as we are new to the mixing environment.

For the record - we love Capture 2. It does exactly what we need it to do, that is, it records our 16-20 channels and we can play it back and make adjustments of the "sound" using the board. This allows us to fine tune our mix to a certain degree. What it doesn't allow is the ability to further edit the tracks - which we are fully aware of and are not expecting. This is where Studio One comes in (or other multi-track editing software). However, because Capture doesn't allow you to incorporate the DSP's -- it is essentially making the console portion of the board useless for recording purposes. What's the point of getting the input to sound good with console DSPs if the only application is for live playback?

It seems to me to be quite short sighted that Capture 2 doesn't allow for DSP track exporting. We aren't expecting to do further mixing like you can within Studio One, but it should be able to take what we're hearing and export it. We have the mix, it sounds great but it could use some tweaks - post EQ carving, isolation, compression etc. I would like to be able to run those multi-tracks in other editing software - StudioOne, Adobe Auditions, ProTools etc without having to re-create a DSP equivalent.It would be more convienent to be able to use those tracks on another computer that isn't hooked up to the mixer. Again, I'm not expecting this functionality within Capture. Just that Capture allows us to export "what we are hearing."

For us, having to use Studio One, means having to completely re-record our songs and probably re-create the DSPs of the console within Studio One. Something we have been trying to avoid. We could have just purchased an interface if we were going to do it all software based. We thought this board would be the fix since it has the Fat Channels per channel and we can get a really good live sounding mix as the base for our recordings. What you're saying though is we pretty much just need to use it as an interface. That's incredibly disappointing. We probably wouldn't have purchased this console if we knew this would be the end result as the console is essentially useless in post production.


We'll have to try the sum mix-down per channel and see if we can create our multi-tracks with the DSP of the console that way. That is very time consuming as you need to play through the song 16x to export out each channel x 5mins ... to get your multi-track out. Seems pretty limited to me. Here is some awesome software that directly interfaces with the board and provides you with easy multi-track recording but you can't export exactly what you're hearing in an easy manner from the console. ... that doesn't sound wrong to you?

The flow should be:
Open Capture 2
Record multi-tracks
Tweak sound on console and dial in your fat channel settings by looping song back.
Export multi-track "as your ears hear it."
Import multi-tracks into Studio One Live
Complete post-editing. EQ carving, compression etc.
Export final mix-down.
Much rejoicing.

That is how I thought it would work. It seems like we just need to go into Studio One and do everything in there ... again ... defeating the point of this killer console.
Sigh - very disappointing.
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by wahlerstudios on Fri Apr 06, 2018 6:19 pm
Of course you can record processing (Fat Channel) in Capture. Per channel/track, of course. With the AI series it is called "Digital Output" and the selection is "Pre Send" or "Post Send". With Series III it's called "Digital Send Option" and the selections are "Pre" and "Post".

Just do not forget to switch that off when playing back the recorded tracks through your mixer... Capture is able to record stereo tracks. All you need to do is to link two input channels on your console.

You can also route your recorded tracks from Studio One to your console and then back to Studio One. This allows you to mix on faders and use all the processing power of the DAW.

;-)

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by jamesramler on Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:29 pm
We have a StudioLive 24.4.2Ai mixer.

I believe you may be referring to the Post EQ&Dyn button which we discovered will record Fat Channel settings to the wave file created for the channel. This is done at the time of recording though and has to be pressed prior to recording. Upon playback we would have to disable the Fat Channel per channel or you get double stacking of the EQ of that channel. Though, I think there is also the Digital send you've mentioned .. hmmm..

We already recorded without that button pressed however.
Perhaps we can loop something back, I'm just not sure how that would be done.

If we take the capture file, and open it within StudioOneLive - the channels clip. They do not clip in Capture and we were very careful to make sure the signals were not over-driven.

Perhaps we can do an export of the channels, without DSP, put those into StudioOneLive and send them back to the board to try and capture the Fat Channel - again ... out of our paygrade. Not really sure how to accomplish that.

This is why we liked Capture. Load it. Pick the channels. Record. Done.

I'll have to explore the Digital Send button you've mentioned and see if there's something we can do there.

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