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Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:56 am
by michaelmyers1
This ruleset utilizes the UACC switching system.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:45 am
by garylaw
Hi Michael

I tried applying these to a piece for string orchestra and found only some of the switching worked. I've struggled to get any of the Spitfire libraries to work properly and don't understand why. I always ensure that the library is locked to UACC. There must be something I'm missing!

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 9:33 pm
by michaelmyers1
This set is modified for the Studio Strings library. I've posted another general ruleset for other Spitfire libraries.

Trying to wrack my brains to think what might be missing but I can't think of anything off the top of my head...

When you select UACC make sure you select the UACC option, not the UACC Keyswitching.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:50 am
by garylaw
I had them all set to UACC and not UACC KS but I realised I had loaded patches from the Advanced folder. For example, a - Violins 1 (8) - Core techniques. So, I loaded the main a - Violins 1 (8) instead and got better results. I tried writing in both flautando and your abbreviation, flut in the score but no flautando sound was triggered. How are all the other articulations meant to be recognised? There's a lot of them, judging by your rules code: spiccato, harmonic, marcato, Bartok and others.

Also, I don't know how one is supposed to load the other a - Violins 1 (8) - Decorative techniques patch which contains such articulations as trill. I know how to do this in Cubase by assigning separate MIDI channels but can Notion handle that? I find nowhere within Notion to be able to specify MIDI channels for Kontakt instances.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 1:33 pm
by garylaw
By the way, I noticed that you had flautando set at 58. That should be 8 according to the Spitfire GUI. I changed it but it made no difference!

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:27 pm
by michaelmyers1
Lots to discover!

Some articulations are triggered by duration: Spicatto is one, there's a rule called Auto-Spicatto and you play with the note length to get it to function. Although it is also triggered by using the staccatissimo mark.

Others you have to play other tricks with. Flautando, for instance, I would trigger by using a special note head (diamond or x) and then modifying that rule. Or pick an unused technique in the Notion palette (hammer on, maybe) and use that to trigger certain articulations.

Some are triggered by slurs (legato techniques, you have to add the legato instruments to the Kontakt Player for them to function).

I'll post a file with a number of variations and you can test it out.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:37 pm
by michaelmyers1
By the way, you can add as many instruments as you want to one Kontakt player with the UACC switching and the switches will find the right instrument. Set them all to MIDI channel 1. Don't know how it works, but it does.

So I usually have 3 or 4 instruments per section, one for Core Techniques, one for Decorative Techniques, one for Performance Legato and sometimes an additional one for Solo String 1st Player.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:01 pm
by michaelmyers1
Gary, here's a file that you might find helpful. It's a public domain work, with divisi sections and plenty of articulations. It should load the instruments for you, although you may have to remap them to the location on your system,.

Let me know if you have questions.

Enjoy!

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:49 am
by garylaw
Many thanks, Michael.

That's bizarre about the switching working with multiple instruments on the same MIDI channel. You'd think that they would overlap and trigger two or more sounds simultaneously.

The file you mentioned sounds like a very helpful thing for me to study. It's a shame you forgot to include it! 😉

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:58 pm
by michaelmyers1
Odd, I thought I had posted it...

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 1:47 pm
by garylaw
Thanks very much, Michael.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:25 am
by georgesgondard1
michaelmyers1 , Your custom rule for SSS won't works with some articulations like sulpont trem , what can I do ?
Thank You
GG

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:53 pm
by michaelmyers1
georgesgondard1 wrotemichaelmyers1 , Your custom rule for SSS won't works with some articulations like sulpont trem , what can I do ?
Thank You
GG


Hmmm... I like a challenge... Let me take a look.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:06 pm
by michaelmyers1
Try this one out...

Spitfire Studio Strings MJM.prules
Added sul pont trems...
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:)

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:11 pm
by georgesgondard1
Thank You Michael, you have fixed it brillantly , now I can't have the mute tremolos despite i added on customs rules, any ideas what is wrong ??

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:48 pm
by michaelmyers1
georgesgondard1 wroteThank You Michael, you have fixed it brillantly , now I can't have the mute tremolos despite i added on customs rules, any ideas what is wrong ??

Georges, it seems that the flag name you set up for the muted trems (mutr) wasn't identified in the flag rule. I think it works now.

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Spitfire Studio Strings Last GG MM.prules
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Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:59 pm
by georgesgondard1
Thank You so much Michael, then what was wrong ? How the rule set hasn't recognized ?...What about con sordino sulpont ?
i saw you added flautando how to make working as well as sultasto ? Sul G , brushed spiccato ,brushed spicc con sordino ???

So many questions, thank you to take the time to write and fix the problems ...
your sincerely,
Georges

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:24 pm
by michaelmyers1
georgesgondard1 wroteThank You so much Michael, then what was wrong ? How the rule set hasn't recognized ?...What about con sordino sulpont ?
i saw you added flautando how to make working as well as sultasto ? Sul G , brushed spiccato ,brushed spicc con sordino ???

So many questions, thank you to take the time to write and fix the problems ...
your sincerely,
Georges

You had everything right but you were missing one key thing; in your rule you forgot to add the line that set the flag to mutr. That's what I circled in red. I added that and it worked beautifully.

You seem to have the basics down: 1) Add a rule that sets a flag, then 2) add a rule that recognizes that flag and tells notion what to do, and unsets the flag.

Regarding the sul g, that's a little harder, because there's not a corresponding command in Notion that does that. In these cases I usually use a special note head; or I will use some other Notion symbol (Hammer On, Hammer Off) or something else similar that is never going to be used for the library. Then you can write a rule so that when Notion sees the special note head or the Hammer On it plays sul g.

For the brushed technique, you might want to use something that's applied to each note individually (a "+" is good for this or the special note head), since you might not want that to play for long periods, but that depends on what you want to do with them. I've never used those techniques.

Re: Ruleset for Spitfire Studio Strings

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:42 am
by georgesgondard1
Thank you for Your lights dear Michael, I will try to enhance the rules you sent ;-)