johnnewberry wroteI don't have the VSL library.
Your upload of - VE Strings Cello from MM.notion ?
I'd say it's corrupted in some way. Or I don't have something that should be loaded.
When I load it the mixer doesn't have any control knobs ?
Even after assigning an VSTI of mine.

Couldn't get it to work for me.
To narrow thing down, have you tried to start with a new Notion document ?
>>>>> Yes...I attached it to the original post. Issue is with VSL SE...
,Newberry

michaelmyers1 wrote
....user error: In measure 1, you have a decrescendo starting on pp, to mp at measure 3. Mp is louder than pp, so you're asking Notion to do the impossible by decreasing velocity (or volume) from a soft note to a louder one. This makes no sense, ....
>>>>> Yes, I saw that this morning...sigh...

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.....measure 60 (the one John shows a picture of above) are seriously whacked. Not sure at all what your intent is there, but that will never play back well, and I doubt a human instrumentalist could figure that one out either!
>>>>>>Saw that, too...Might have been a left-over from my cat walking on the keyboard...

Again, consistency is key. If you place dynamic markings above the line and others below the line, it will confuse Notion and playback will be affected. This is an unfortunate reality with Notion at this point, and the issue has been raised with the developers. I'm hoping to see some improvements in future releases.

>>>>> Here is where a well-known location for all known issues is really important...both to users and developers...does this exist and I don't know about it.? (I'm a software developer by trade and a Notion user by avocation, so I know both viewpoints to some degree.)

By the way, I never place dynamic markings on measure lines. I always place them on notes. I don't think that's a hard and fast rule, it's just something that I do, a personal preference. In the case of your file, I placed the initial dynamic marking of a hairpin on a note, and I left some of the ending markings on a measure. It works quite well.
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I always try to keep in mind that I'm instructing a machine what to do, and I try to be very consistent. Sometimes this means that I even have to duplicate measure markings for an entire piece both above and below the staff.
>>>>>I there a quick way to move the dynamic markings?>

Painful? Yes. Worth the effort? I think so.
>>>>>>Getting it right is always worth the effort. However, this seems like an issue that anyone could run into. How intuitive is it to know you have to put dynamics BELOW the staff for them to work properly. The user should not be able to enter data that will not function as expected. I have invested hours and hours trying to get a score to play correctly when the issue seems well-known,..to you at least!

I hope this helps.
>>>>>Yes, it certainly does and I appreciate your input greatly. While I have you on the line, I think you made mention somewhere about "tweaking" the ruleset for VSL SE. How does one go about doing that?


Michael

brucepearson wrote

michaelmyers1 wrote
....user error: In measure 1, you have a decrescendo starting on pp, to mp at measure 3. Mp is louder than pp, so you're asking Notion to do the impossible by decreasing velocity (or volume) from a soft note to a louder one. This makes no sense, ....
>>>>> Yes, I saw that this morning...sigh...

......
.....measure 60 (the one John shows a picture of above) are seriously whacked. Not sure at all what your intent is there, but that will never play back well, and I doubt a human instrumentalist could figure that one out either!
>>>>>>Saw that, too...Might have been a left-over from my cat walking on the keyboard...

My cat is my constant studio companion!

Again, consistency is key. If you place dynamic markings above the line and others below the line, it will confuse Notion and playback will be affected. This is an unfortunate reality with Notion at this point, and the issue has been raised with the developers. I'm hoping to see some improvements in future releases.

>>>>> Here is where a well-known location for all known issues is really important...both to users and developers...does this exist and I don't know about it.? (I'm a software developer by trade and a Notion user by avocation, so I know both viewpoints to some degree.)

Other than this board? Not that I know of.

By the way, I never place dynamic markings on measure lines. I always place them on notes. I don't think that's a hard and fast rule, it's just something that I do, a personal preference. In the case of your file, I placed the initial dynamic marking of a hairpin on a note, and I left some of the ending markings on a measure. It works quite well.
.......
I always try to keep in mind that I'm instructing a machine what to do, and I try to be very consistent. Sometimes this means that I even have to duplicate measure markings for an entire piece both above and below the staff.
>>>>>I there a quick way to move the dynamic markings?>

Unfortunately, none that I know of.

Painful? Yes. Worth the effort? I think so.
>>>>>>Getting it right is always worth the effort. However, this seems like an issue that anyone could run into. How intuitive is it to know you have to put dynamics BELOW the staff for them to work properly. The user should not be able to enter data that will not function as expected. I have invested hours and hours trying to get a score to play correctly when the issue seems well-known,..to you at least!

It's not intuitive at all. Users have to be able to enter dynamic markings both above and/or below the staff, so I don't know how it could work to disallow that somehow. I learned of this issue by having the same problem occur in my work and experimenting to try to fix it. I don't know that it was ever documented anywhere until Kurt Landre and I noted it at about the same time. By the way, I think there might be an issue with your file. I can usually place dynamics either above or below the staff for a single voice and it will work. I just can't mix them up and down. I'd try a file from scratch where you enter ALL the dynamics below the staff and see if it won't work.

I hope this helps.
[i]>>>>>Yes, it certainly does and I appreciate your input greatly. While I have you on the line, I think you made mention somewhere about "tweaking" the ruleset for VSL SE. How does one go about doing that?

I don't think that was me, or if it was I have forgotten. I find that the rulesets built into Notion for VSL work very, very well. After more than three years of working with them, I've never found anything I wanted to change.

Happy Notioning!

Michael