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Melodyne 4 and Studio One Advance Tempo Mapping
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Advance Melodyne 4 Tempo Mapping in Studio One
Class:
1) Recap of basic setup and tempo editing commands
2) Deep dive edit on a challenging map
3) Tempo mapping multi-track songs
4) Tempo mapping a MIDI track

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by Beachboy on Tue Mar 22, 2016 6:53 pm
jpettit wroteAdvance Melodyne 4 Tempo Mapping in Studio One
Class:
1) Recap of basic setup and tempo editing commands
2) Deep dive edit on a challenging map
3) Tempo mapping multi-track songs
4) Tempo mapping a MIDI track

Thanks Jeff - Working throught it now :)

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by talanarney on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:53 am
Problem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?
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by jpettit on Fri Apr 01, 2016 12:13 pm
talanarney wroteProblem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?

I am assuming you are talking about all this in side of M4 and not S1 correct?

1) suggest you watch my Advanced class which show 30 minutes of how to adjust and fine tune M4 measure to actual song.

2) If you Redetect in M4 you have to go in and out of the Tempo editor mode ( as show in the beginner class and advance class). This will re-stamp the "map" to the actual file in S1 and you will see that map show up after exiting the tempo edit mode.

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by talanarney on Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:47 pm
jpettit wrote
talanarney wroteProblem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?

I am assuming you are talking about all this in side of M4 and not S1 correct?

1) suggest you watch my Advanced class which show 30 minutes of how to adjust and fine tune M4 measure to actual song.

2) If you Redetect in M4 you have to go in and out of the Tempo editor mode ( as show in the beginner class and advance class). This will re-stamp the "map" to the actual file in S1 and you will see that map show up after exiting the tempo edit mode.

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I've watched your video over and over, I've sat here for three hours manually adjusting everything so that when I double-click the header in Melodyne's window with Melodyne's metronome the track is in time. I switched from note assignment mode to edit mode and and dragged the clip to the tempo and studio one's metronome sounds absolutely NOTHING like melodyne's metronome. Melodyne's is in perfect time, Studio One's seems to be totally ignoring every last change I made in the note assignement mode.
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by talanarney on Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:12 pm
It's as though it isn't refreshing the map once I've adjusted it.
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by talanarney on Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:17 pm
Okay, the problem is that I didn't trim the clip to the actual start of the track and the tempo changes moved the clip, is there a way of just keeping the clips exactly where they should be when they're not aligned to the first beat of the song and the tempo gets adjusted?

It's also slipping out of time, possibly from all of the measure markers I made in melodyne?
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by talanarney on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:23 pm
jpettit wrote
talanarney wroteProblem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?

I am assuming you are talking about all this in side of M4 and not S1 correct?

1) suggest you watch my Advanced class which show 30 minutes of how to adjust and fine tune M4 measure to actual song.

2) If you Redetect in M4 you have to go in and out of the Tempo editor mode ( as show in the beginner class and advance class). This will re-stamp the "map" to the actual file in S1 and you will see that map show up after exiting the tempo edit mode.

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At between 7:23-8:02 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADVEYXRq28 the click goes totally out of time with the guitar but you don't fix that section, each correction you make puts the track further offbeat with the metronome as it slides all of the sequential markers away from the transients, how do did you sort that section out, since you didn't on the video?
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by jpettit on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:00 pm
talanarney wrote
jpettit wrote
talanarney wroteProblem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?

I am assuming you are talking about all this in side of M4 and not S1 correct?

1) suggest you watch my Advanced class which show 30 minutes of how to adjust and fine tune M4 measure to actual song.

2) If you Redetect in M4 you have to go in and out of the Tempo editor mode ( as show in the beginner class and advance class). This will re-stamp the "map" to the actual file in S1 and you will see that map show up after exiting the tempo edit mode.

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At between 7:23-8:02 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADVEYXRq28 the click goes totally out of time with the guitar but you don't fix that section, each correction you make puts the track further offbeat with the metronome as it slides all of the sequential markers away from the transients, how do did you sort that section out, since you didn't on the video?
First there two things about the video, 1) it is snippets from 15-20 different kinds problem solving so there are discontinuities. 2) I am working with a mix of the song. Each individual track can have timing issues relative the the bands tempo (guitar bass drums etc.) After the host has an accurate tempo map, you can then go back to each track and quantize via M4 to improve the individual tracks timing. You can also do that to an extend with the polyphone data but both those procedures are another tutorial.

at 7:23 I am around 5 lead notes. 1) is on 2) is early compared to other instrument ( bass of kick) at measure 8 3) is on, 4 N/A, 5) on beat. You can drag that note in polyphony mode if needed but as I said early quantizes notes to the grid is the other half of fixing the timing to the grid.

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by jpettit on Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:06 pm
talanarney wrote
jpettit wrote
talanarney wroteProblem #1: I moved a marker and it caused all of the subsequent tempo curves to be out of sync, how do I just adjust the markers for a measure or a section?

Problem #2: I accidently set the tempo to constant, it removed all of the curves and now I can't re detect the tempo changes, every time I re detect the tempo with the algorithm, it just finishes without setting up the tempo curves, how do I reset them to what was analysed?

I am assuming you are talking about all this in side of M4 and not S1 correct?

1) suggest you watch my Advanced class which show 30 minutes of how to adjust and fine tune M4 measure to actual song.

2) If you Redetect in M4 you have to go in and out of the Tempo editor mode ( as show in the beginner class and advance class). This will re-stamp the "map" to the actual file in S1 and you will see that map show up after exiting the tempo edit mode.

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I've watched your video over and over, I've sat here for three hours manually adjusting everything so that when I double-click the header in Melodyne's window with Melodyne's metronome the track is in time. I switched from note assignment mode to edit mode and and dragged the clip to the tempo and studio one's metronome sounds absolutely NOTHING like melodyne's metronome. Melodyne's is in perfect time, Studio One's seems to be totally ignoring every last change I made in the note assignment mode.
This sounds like you have a fundamental thing wrong.
verify:
1) You started by exactly line up the down beat with a measure.
2) The beat one in Melodyne is in sync with that. So confirm click in the first beat moves the cursor to the exact measure line in both S1 and M4.
3) The beginning of the process is critical to making it work. Set S1 metronome one and verify the first 1-3 beats sync and work from there.

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