Mix FX is the way. Doesn't matter what you're listening on, long as it's stereo.

https://s1manual.presonus.com/en/#Built ... 257C_____7

I did a "virtual listening room" blog post a couple years ago that depended on the listen bus. It's okay, but I have an improved version coming up in the 2nd Edition of The Huge Book of Studio One Tips and Tricks. The eBook will be released in May. (If you have a previous version, the update will be free.)

The new Virtual Listening Room is an FX Chain that inserts in the Main bus. It's basic compared to something like the Waves NX control room emulation plugins. It uses a Dual Pan, Binaural Pan, Voxengo Delay, and Pro EQ3. The Voxengo Delay is free; Studio One's Analog Delay is more of an effect, while the Voxengo is just a totally plain delay, which works better in this context.

My main application is long tracking sessions, when using headphones for overdubs. At least for me, there's less listener fatigue and the stereo image feels more natural. There's probably some way to do this easily by appropriating Atmos panning in a conventional stereo mix, but I haven't figured it out yet..

Hope this helps...!

Anderton wroteI did a "virtual listening room" blog post a couple years ago that depended on the listen bus. It's okay, but I have an improved version coming up in the 2nd Edition of The Huge Book of Studio One Tips and Tricks. The eBook will be released in May. (If you have a previous version, the update will be free.)

The new Virtual Listening Room is an FX Chain that inserts in the Main bus. It's basic compared to something like the Waves NX control room emulation plugins. It uses a Dual Pan, Binaural Pan, Voxengo Delay, and Pro EQ3. The Voxengo Delay is free; Studio One's Analog Delay is more of an effect, while the Voxengo is just a totally plain delay, which works better in this context.

My main application is long tracking sessions, when using headphones for overdubs. At least for me, there's less listener fatigue and the stereo image feels more natural. There's probably some way to do this easily by appropriating Atmos panning in a conventional stereo mix, but I haven't figured it out yet..

Hope this helps...!

This is exactly what I wanted!!! Much appreciated.

PS: I need to buy your book ASAP. When exactly is v2 arriving?

Something I don't quite understand about your "virtual listening room" blog post. If you "swap the channels" with the mixtool, where is the original signal? Seems we're only left with a modified signal.

redskyroad wroteSomething I don't quite understand about your "virtual listening room" blog post. If you "swap the channels" with the mixtool, where is the original signal? Seems we're only left with a modified signal.

The virtual listening room effects go through the Listen Bus, so they're in parallel Check the section at the end called The Listen Bus for details. However, the new version is an FX Chain that goes into the Main Bus, and does its parallel processing within the FX Chain. So you don't need to use the listen bus. There's also a Macro Controls panel for convenience.

As to the new Edition, I'm sending it to Sweetwater in 7-10 days, and they usually get a book online in a couple days. If you want, you can buy the current version now, and download the new edition for free when the update comes out.

Parallel to what?

It makes sense to me to rather use the listening bus for this type of thing so that I keep my headphone calibration on the listening bus. When I have to render a master, I don't have to disable any plugins.

redskyroad wroteParallel to what?

It makes sense to me to rather use the listening bus for this type of thing so that I keep my headphone calibration on the listening bus. When I have to render a master, I don't have to disable any plugins.

That's the way I use the LB.

redskyroad wroteParallel to what?

Parallel to the Main Out, which carries the dry signal. The Listen Bus carries the processed audio. But remember, the older version was tied in with the 1824c interface and the mixer in Universal Control. The new version avoids having to use the Listen Bus, doesn't need the UC mixer, and has other improvements.

Anderton wrote

redskyroad wroteParallel to what?

Parallel to the Main Out, which carries the dry signal. The Listen Bus carries the processed audio. But remember, the older version was tied in with the 1824c interface and the mixer in Universal Control. The new version avoids having to use the Listen Bus, doesn't need the UC mixer, and has other improvements.

1) Where is this "new" version you speak of?
2) If this all happens on the master bus, where do I add my Sonarworks headphone calibration, and do I need to disable it each time I render?

redskyroad wrote1) Where is this "new" version you speak of?

As mentioned in the 3rd post, "I have an improved version coming up in the 2nd Edition of The Huge Book of Studio One Tips and Tricks. The eBook will be released in May. (If you have a previous version, the update will be free.)"

redskyroad wrote2) If this all happens on the master bus, where do I add my Sonarworks headphone calibration, and do I need to disable it each time I render?

You would add Sonarworks at the very end of the master bus, following everything including crossfeed plugins. When rendering, you would need to disable anything that attempts to emulate the experience of listening over speakers if you expect something to play back over speakers and not just headphones, as well as bypass any headphone calibration plugins.

However, the latest version of Sonarworks does monitor speaker emulation and offers a virtual monitoring add-on. So if you have that, you won't need a crossfeed plugin. I think checking out the following links would be worth your while:

https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-refe ... monitoring

https://soundid-reference.support.sonar ... DAW-plugin

https://soundid-reference.support.sonar ... ing-Add-on

I previously used sonarworks, but about two years ago spent a bunch of time rolling my own headphone emulation environment, which I put on the listen bus.

I use the HangLoose convolver, which gives you multiple slots to add in an IR with an easy method to switch between them. Then I use a modified version of the IRs you can get from here.

https://github.com/jaakkopasanen/AutoEq

Combining things I can put IR's into slots in HL that simulates my main speaker environment, several small monitors (auratones, NS10s, etc) so I can switch back and forth.

Add in a few more tweaks for cross channel, etc.

This has totally changed my mixing style! I have my environment where I can listen with my main speakers and switch to headphones and I can barely tell any difference. It's been a real game changer and now I mix more and more on headphones with equal results to speakers. It allows me to mix on the road, on the run, and in my easy chair. Much more convenient and time efficient.

All this to say... pick up Craig's book and follow his advice and create you a good headphone environment. You'll not regret it and it will likely change your workflow.

Anderton wrote

redskyroad wrote1) Where is this "new" version you speak of?

As mentioned in the 3rd post, "I have an improved version coming up in the 2nd Edition of The Huge Book of Studio One Tips and Tricks. The eBook will be released in May. (If you have a previous version, the update will be free.)"

redskyroad wrote2) If this all happens on the master bus, where do I add my Sonarworks headphone calibration, and do I need to disable it each time I render?

You would add Sonarworks at the very end of the master bus, following everything including crossfeed plugins. When rendering, you would need to disable anything that attempts to emulate the experience of listening over speakers if you expect something to play back over speakers and not just headphones, as well as bypass any headphone calibration plugins.

However, the latest version of Sonarworks does monitor speaker emulation and offers a virtual monitoring add-on. So if you have that, you won't need a crossfeed plugin. I think checking out the following links would be worth your while:

https://www.sonarworks.com/soundid-refe ... monitoring

https://soundid-reference.support.sonar ... DAW-plugin

https://soundid-reference.support.sonar ... ing-Add-on

I thought the whole point of the listening bus is to add things like headphone calibration and cross-feed plugins. I fail to understand how you set up the listening bus to play a wet signal ALOGSIDE the MAIN bus.. My sonarworks has always resided in the listening bus when I mix down, I just mix the main but and don't even worry what's on the listening bus...

PS: I'm getting Sonarworks' Virtual Add-on immediately. Will solve my issues! Thanks for the links

redskyroad wrote[I fail to understand how you set up the listening bus to play a wet signal ALOGSIDE the MAIN bus.

Well, you're using the Listen Bus the way it's supposed to be used . What I did is an unconventional application of the Listen Bus that takes advantage of the mixer applet for the 1824c interface. That's why I think the new version, which is independent of the interface and applet mixer, is an improvement.

As a little background, my main use for the Listen Bus is soloing through it. Because I don't use the Main bus for dynamics or EQ processing (I save that for the Project Page), I insert plugins like Sonarworks, Waves Nx, etc. in the Main bus along with a Mixtool. So, I can just turn off the insert to hear the unprocessed sound. The purpose of the Mixtool is to balance levels between the processed and unprocessed sounds.

One of the things I love about Studio One is how it provides a toolset that can be used in many different ways. For example, I use a VCA fader to implement a dim solo function, and several VCAs to do a technique I call "incremental mixing." Neither is a normal use case, but hey...they work

Glad to hear Sonarworks will do what you want! I think it's a brilliant program.

redskyroad wrote

Anderton wrote

redskyroad wroteParallel to what?

Parallel to the Main Out, which carries the dry signal. The Listen Bus carries the processed audio. But remember, the older version was tied in with the 1824c interface and the mixer in Universal Control. The new version avoids having to use the Listen Bus, doesn't need the UC mixer, and has other improvements.

1) Where is this "new" version you speak of?
2) If this all happens on the master bus, where do I add my Sonarworks headphone calibration, and do I need to disable it each time I render?

Simplest way to do it is add Sonarworks and the head phone calibration software to the listen bus. Map your Baby Face HP out to the listen bus as well 3/4 for example. Now it's a simple case of changing the listen bus output to 1/2 for Monitor calibration or 3/4 for HP calibration. Both options mean you don't have to bypass anything because it's on the listen bus leaving the main out clean for export. This way you have the freedom of switching to Monitor or Headphone calibration via the listen bus by simply changing the listen bus out and turning on either of the plugins you use. When you switch from 1/2 to 3/4 on the listen bus the I/O settings update to match. Pic below how I use ARC and VSX on the Listen bus with Total Mix.

garyanderson5 wroteSimplest way to do it is add Sonarworks and the head phone calibration software to the listen bus. Map your Baby Face HP out to the listen bus as well 3/4 for example. Now it's a simple case of changing the listen bus output to 1/2 for Monitor calibration or 3/4 for HP calibration. Both options mean you don't have to bypass anything because it's on the listen bus leaving the main out clean for export. This way you have the freedom of switching to Monitor or Headphone calibration via the listen bus by simply changing the listen bus out and turning on either of the plugins you use. When you switch from 1/2 to 3/4 on the listen bus the I/O settings update to match. Pic below how I use ARC and VSX on the Listen bus with Total Mix.

That's exactly how my system is set up. Monitors on 1/2 and headphones on listening bus, 3/4.

redskyroad wrote

garyanderson5 wroteSimplest way to do it is add Sonarworks and the head phone calibration software to the listen bus. Map your Baby Face HP out to the listen bus as well 3/4 for example. Now it's a simple case of changing the listen bus output to 1/2 for Monitor calibration or 3/4 for HP calibration. Both options mean you don't have to bypass anything because it's on the listen bus leaving the main out clean for export. This way you have the freedom of switching to Monitor or Headphone calibration via the listen bus by simply changing the listen bus out and turning on either of the plugins you use. When you switch from 1/2 to 3/4 on the listen bus the I/O settings update to match. Pic below how I use ARC and VSX on the Listen bus with Total Mix.

That's exactly how my system is set up. Monitors on 1/2 and headphones on listening bus, 3/4.

Nice one. It works pretty good this way with minimum fuss.

garyanderson5 wroteNice one. It works pretty good this way with minimum fuss.

All true, but remember the OP wanted to do it using Studio One's tools, without needing additional software. The only solution I can think of is putting the plugins that emulate the crossfeed in parallel with the main bus, either through the Listen bus or an FX Chain with a split in the Main bus. There's probably a better option, although I think the best option is to bite the bullet and get control room emulation software. The Waves Ocean Way Nashville Nx is $35 (or 7 Starbucks Coffee Units, haha) and I think it's quite good.

Anderton wrote

garyanderson5 wroteNice one. It works pretty good this way with minimum fuss.

All true, but remember the OP wanted to do it using Studio One's tools, without needing additional software. The only solution I can think of is putting the plugins that emulate the crossfeed in parallel with the main bus, either through the Listen bus or an FX Chain with a split in the Main bus. There's probably a better option, although I think the best option is to bite the bullet and get control room emulation software. The Waves Ocean Way Nashville Nx is $35 (or 7 Starbucks Coffee Units, haha) and I think it's quite good.

There used to be a free crossfeed plugin but for the life of me I can't remember it's name. You could use it with Morphit as the demo never ran out you just couldn't save inside unless you payed for it. Bite the bullet I would agree, there's a few options now for not a lot of money in the sales.