Don't even know what it is or why I would use it - sorry.

edmisik wroteIt is a mystery to me why Studio One doesnt include one after all the iterations of it..

When I go to the feature request database, I find a Clip Launcher feature request on page 3:

https://answers.presonus.com/37979/clip ... ssion-view
84 votes.

So it's not within the TOP 100 feature requests. So I don't think it's much of a mystery.

I like the idea of a clip launcher (I contributed to the concept of the Show Page) and I believe it could be quite compelling for pattern/loop-based arranging and live performance (in song mode, too). However, it doesn't appear to be a priority for users at the moment.

Work with the programs that have spent years perfecting it. Bitwig and Ableton come to mind. I work between primarily with Studio One and Ableton as a live performance tool and it is a great combination. If it becomes part of Studio One then all the better to be in the one environment.

I certainly wouldn't use clip launch. Pro Tools doesn't need it. By the looks of past posts on the subject, it's largely amongst the Studio One crowd as not all that much of a "to do". Oh, for a few it is. What they've done with clip launch, I couldnt tell you. Perhaps they can. As mentioned, when talking percentages, it's quite low. Not that I think popularity should drive ANY DAW's features. Integrity should. I like that Studio One has and maintains a linear feel. It's purposeful. As for any non linear or live jam construction, I'm sure Studio One will build on the Performance page. How could it not. It's half baked, no tempo changes, and really not anything to write home about. Sorry.

Most of whom I've spoke with towards Ableton, still point to while a clip launch matrix might help with largely fragmented ideas, it still fundamentally comes down to finishing an entire song. That is usually the conundrum, or wall if you will. Sure, some DAWs out there have a matrix clip launch. Though no one is flocking to them saying, yeah, I have just what I need now. There are plenty of ways to shake the tree to build on ideas. My hat is off to Presonus for not cluttering Studio One. I'm relatively convinced that will continue. But hey, I'm not here to bash the idea. Just simply support that yeah, it's not here, and that suits a whole lot of people just fine. Its not about hey if you dont need it, dont use it. Lean and elegant acounts for a lot! Especially in the arts. For those old schoolers who will know what I'm talking about. Most don't need a floor wax that's also a desert topping.

I am of the opinion that it doesnt mean so much that a Clip Launcher is not highly asked for here. People who really need it, just use another DAW.. Lots of DAW users use clip launchers. There are many good DAW's to choose from that have Clip Launchers. I think the notion is to attract NEW customers too. I think there is a stigma attached to the clip launcher,..that it's only good for beat makers or something, and thats just not the case

I have BItwig and used it quite a lot...i;m not a beat maker or live show performer. I find it is a great music creativity tool. I just wish Bitwig wasnt so garish and uninspiring looking to me so i;m sticking to S1 which is fine (other than no clip launcher) ::)

edmisik wroteI am of the opinion that it doesnt mean so much that a Clip Launcher is not highly asked for here.

It means a lot to Presonus Development. If something is really needed - they will always give that consideration, but it is 100% based on feature requests.

Throwing out forum posts will do nothing to forward your ask. Devs simply do not come in here and certainly do not make their future development schedules by scanning the forums.

You want your feature to ever have a chance - vote it up in the Feature requests area per the other posts in here.

To close - I think a clip launcher would be cool too. Am I waiting - hoping we get one? Not really. There are many more important things that the user base is voting on for future updates.

VP

Impact XT being DFD ( direct from disk) is ideal has also no wave file lenght limit, and it has all the sample playback/trigger options offered by a clip launcher (it offers multi out routing as well).

It can stretch files to match the tempo too.

Before buying Metric AB i have used it as a bank of reference tracks launcher and it was very good at that.

For me there is no point in building a daw around clip launching, especially when there is an accessory included that can do it.

patrickviens wroteImpact XT being DFD ( direct from disk) is ideal has also no wave file lenght limit, and it has all the sample playback/trigger options offered by a clip launcher (it offers multi out routing as well).

Great suggestion. I always keep forgetting that Impact XT can load anything (loops, samples, whole songs) making it prime for clip launching type stuff.

Really need to start using it more for this kind of stuff.

VP

Vocalpoint wrote

patrickviens wroteImpact XT being DFD ( direct from disk) is ideal has also no wave file lenght limit, and it has all the sample playback/trigger options offered by a clip launcher (it offers multi out routing as well).

Great suggestion. I always keep forgetting that Impact XT can load anything (loops, samples, whole songs) making it prime for clip launching type stuff.

Really need to start using it more for this kind of stuff.

VP

I just think it is a clip launcher, feature wise. It could be renamed Impact XT Launcher Pads and it would become more obvious for some.

I need clip launching in a live electronic music situation and also Midi clip launching. Impact's clip launching features are basic at best compared to the much deeper options for example in Ableton. Midi clip launching is also required for those who want to use synthesisers in a live situation. You also need scene launching to get the best out of clip launching.

Studio One and Ableton have recently been getting on side making several of the Studio One hardware controllers compatible within Ableton. Link is an amazing Ableton feature. What I would like to see is Studio One becoming Link compatible. That would be awesome in a live situation.

For those who don't know Link is a feature where multiple computers may be present on stage in a live performance. Or in the studio for that matter. Link uses a privately created Wi FI network to synchronise all the computers to a single clock. It's quite incredible. Anyone can start first and be the master and the others can slave at any time and at various resolutions such as 1/4 notes or 1/2 notes or bars etc.. Tangerine Dream would be using Link for example.

Jemusic wroteI need clip launching in a live electronic music situation and also Midi clip launching. Impact's clip launching features are basic at best compared to the much deeper options for example in Ableton. Midi clip launching is also required for those who want to use synthesisers in a live situation. You also need scene launching to get the best out of clip launching.

Studio One and Ableton have recently been getting on side making several of the Studio One hardware controllers compatible within Ableton. Link is an amazing Ableton feature. What I would like to see is Studio One becoming Link compatible. That would be awesome in a live situation

Indeed, there is no Midi support in Impact XT.

Me and other users have requested that for the Show Page upon initial release (I called that Midi Players, with Midi Out support).

But these requests are generally ignored I think.

Yeah, I don't get the Impact XT comparison here, and I use Impact XT fairly extensively. But as I mentioned about other ways for creation, sure. By all means include Impact in the mix.

As to you edmisik hoping something like this comes to fruition, you should include (or create) an FR. At least through these forum channels, it is there where some visibility will help. But DAW's aren't based on popularity contests. It is there for consideration. But it will be there, you need to bolster the need. Not in a rant (you wrote rant). I prefer to call it drumming up a conversation, and that is a good thing. Now you need to further it along.

Personally, I wish the next major release incorporated some fundamental DAW ingredients, and stop with the half baked ideas. That doesn't get it when actual users who perform, or write (or are inspired) with any variability will take something seriously. Half baked usually equals "toy" or "doo-dad".

A 3rd party VST solution: NI Maschine software (£59) - up to 128 scenes triggered by MIDI Notes, supports audio loops and MIDI patterns

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... ssentials/

Curious.
What if you want to come in on the middle of a scene? Let's say two bars in. Triggered or not. Can you allocate various start points in the middle of a scene, say two bars in?

Also, do scene's have to play out (reach the scene's end) to then switch, or do they switch immediately upon MIDI selection?

Maschine software for hardware, looks seriously basic.

My preference would be to have something on the order of scratchpad (or main arrangement) with multiple loop points than can easily address any of those above adjustments. Then, when you played a group of sequences you like, it is automatically recorded and can be placed out that way.

Ableton Live just gives me a headache. Mmv but it's cumbersome, and non intuitive. I believe a multi faceted loop system n Studio One would be way better.

Lokeyfly wroteCurious.
What if you want to come in on the middle of a scene? Let's say two bars in. Triggered or not. Can you allocate various start points in the middle of a scene, say two bars in?.

You can allocate various start points (sections) by switching to song/linear mode:

Loops are synced to the song position (unless you select "retrigger"). Scene's can play out to then switch depending of your sync settings

Vocalpoint wroteIt means a lot to Presonus Development. If something is really needed - they will always give that consideration, but it is 100% based on feature requests.

Throwing out forum posts will do nothing to forward your ask. Devs simply do not come in here and certainly do not make their future development schedules by scanning the forums.

You want your feature to ever have a chance - vote it up in the Feature requests area per the other posts in here.

Totally agree, go vote for the feature request and in the appropriate area.

I suspect devs do occasionally come here, and certainly the QA team would be all over this forum immediately after release (mostly not seen and not heard - although one communicated with me recently just to say he had his eyes on something, which was pretty cool, thought I spotted a UFO). Other members of Presonus team perhaps pay visits too, Devs often aren't the only people making development itinerary, sometimes marketers are too. Regardless I get the impression the core team are smaller than most people think (and please ignore this as pure speculation because obviously I don't know jack).

Regardless I wouldn't say that these forums are entirely non influential.

I wouldn't mind having a native clip launcher but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon - I chose a 3rd party VST as a immediate solution.

PreAl wrote: "Regardless I wouldn't say that these forums are entirely non influential."

I agree in that conversation in the forum leads to both a user visible, and even growth towards such ideas. It's passed around even in the forum, chewed up, spat out, and tweaked. That makes for a potentially better product in the end. At some point, placing, or updating the FR simply makes it visible to the development team. That's basically their window. But it's not the only way. It's simply a helpful guideline for this forum to direct ideas to the worker-bee suggestion box (FR/Questions). The suggestion box is weighed as are other inputs from various sources.