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Hi, what is your experiences with larger orchestral templates in Studio One ? I created one from Hollywood Opus and Studio One has practically stopped, just winding up a track for recording takes even 5 seconds ... do you have a similar experience ? I'm running on windows, i9 18 core, 128 GB RAM, GeForce 3080, so I guess the hardware is not the problem ... thanks for your insights and experience.

Martin Kucera

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by jazzundso on Sun Aug 14, 2022 6:31 pm
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Do you use the latest update of Studio One 5?

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by kdm on Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:50 am
markuc wroteHi, what is your experiences with larger orchestral templates in Studio One ?.


5.5.2 works fine with my large template. The only sluggishness is zooming vertically to increase/decrease track height. That has always been a bit slow and still is. It only takes 1-2 seconds, but compared to other DAWs, it is slow. Nothing like what you are seeing though.

I am hosting all of my samples in VEPro outside of S1. Do you have Opus instances loaded internally in S1? Also, which version of S1? (Note the 5.5 update that is supposed to have improved large template performance).
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by taylorscott2 on Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:20 am
markuc wroteHi, what is your experiences with larger orchestral templates in Studio One ? I created one from Hollywood Opus and Studio One has practically stopped, just winding up a track for recording takes even 5 seconds ... do you have a similar experience ? I'm running on windows, i9 18 core, 128 GB RAM, GeForce 3080, so I guess the hardware is not the problem ... thanks for your insights and experience.



Yeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

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by jazzundso on Mon Aug 15, 2022 11:26 am
taylorscott2 wroteYeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

When did you make that test? You surely know that there were massive optimizations done in Studio One 5.5.

It's very smooth with my 800 tracks template. Zooming vertically is slow - but apart from that nothing I would complain about.

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by kdm on Mon Aug 15, 2022 1:04 pm
jazzundso wrote
taylorscott2 wroteYeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

When did you make that test? You surely know that there were massive optimizations done in Studio One 5.5.


I have my template duplicated in Nuendo 12 as well (along with DP 11, which is the worst of the three on Windows 10 - far better on MacM1s).

The only sluggishness with S1 is as noted above (and it is more than annoying - it slows down workflow). I reported that to Presonus a couple of years ago when I started duplicating templates in other DAWs. At the time, S1 was mostly unusable for scoring. It is much better now, and other than vertical zoom, it is faster than Nuendo 12 (opening/closing projects, opening/closing editors, and general workflow efficiency).

That does NOT mean S1 is running as well as it should with large scoring templates in every situation, and just because it differs on another system doesn't mean the problem is "your system". That kind of "show us your system specs before we even ask a simple question" or "it must be your system" troubleshooting is a complete waste of time.

So what is different that S1 might not like, or at least might not be optimized to handle? If S1 is slow as molasses when hosting VIs internally, or with EW Opus specifically (or Kontakt, etc), that's a big problem. I haven't tested that scenario due to time constraints.

On my system, so far, it works well when hosting everything in VEPro. All that provides is a baseline to narrow down where and when it isn't performing well. This is also on Windows 10. I have not duplicated this template on any of our M1 Macs at work as VSL/VEPro is still lagging behind on M1 native support.

So, for the OP, what version of Studio One are you using?
And, is Opus being hosted internally within Studio One? How many instances?


jazzundso wrote
Zooming vertically is slow - but apart from that nothing I would complain about.


Good to know that others are seeing the same thing. And that improved slightly when I rebuilt my S1 template from scratch recently (around the 5.5.1 or 5.5.2 update).

That is another point of advice, and it applies to most DAWs - as time consuming as it is, it is a good idea to rebuilt scoring templates with most full version upgrades. I've had to do this with pretty much every major release of Nuendo, and now Studio One as well. Large projects are where the incompatibilities, quirks and new bugs in upgrades most often appear.
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by markuc on Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:25 pm
Thanks everyone for the experience, Lukas for the video, I will study it. The truth is that EW Opus, like the previous Play, is not really the best plugin ... My template has only about 100 tracks, I use only 3 instances of EW Opus, all samples are with keyswitches ... is it better to use separate tracks for each articulation, according to your experience ? Otherwise of course all software is in the latest versions.

Martin Kucera

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Hollywood Platinum Orchestra with Opus Edition
Kurzweil PC3k
Roland SE-02
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Modal Argon
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Akai S1000
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by markuc on Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:33 pm
kdm wrote
markuc wroteHi, what is your experiences with larger orchestral templates in Studio One ?.


5.5.2 works fine with my large template. The only sluggishness is zooming vertically to increase/decrease track height. That has always been a bit slow and still is. It only takes 1-2 seconds, but compared to other DAWs, it is slow. Nothing like what you are seeing though.

I am hosting all of my samples in VEPro outside of S1. Do you have Opus instances loaded internally in S1? Also, which version of S1? (Note the 5.5 update that is supposed to have improved large template performance).


Yes, my Opus instances are loaded internaly. Is there any way to have them externally ?
For me the slowest part is the actual turning on of the record on the track, it takes 3-5 seconds from the click. I can't explain it ...

Martin Kucera

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Cubase 12, Studio One 5, EastWest Opus,
Hollywood Platinum Orchestra with Opus Edition
Kurzweil PC3k
Roland SE-02
Elektron Digitone
Modal Argon
Ensoniq TS10
Ensoniq SQ1+
Akai S1000
M-Audio Oxygen Pro61
Yamaha QY100
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by markuc on Tue Aug 23, 2022 3:43 pm
jazzundso wrote
taylorscott2 wroteYeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

When did you make that test? You surely know that there were massive optimizations done in Studio One 5.5.

It's very smooth with my 800 tracks template. Zooming vertically is slow - but apart from that nothing I would complain about.


Very annoying, as I already wrote, is the actual turning on of the record on the track, from the mouse click it takes 3-5 sec. Otherwise as far as latency in identical template is concerned, S1 is far better than Cubase 12, their ASIO Guard is somehow getting worse.
I see EW in your template too, does it behave the same way as e.g. Vienna's plugin ?

Martin Kucera

I9 18-core, 128 GB RAM, GeForge 3080 12GB RAM, Windows 11

Cubase 12, Studio One 5, EastWest Opus,
Hollywood Platinum Orchestra with Opus Edition
Kurzweil PC3k
Roland SE-02
Elektron Digitone
Modal Argon
Ensoniq TS10
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Akai S1000
M-Audio Oxygen Pro61
Yamaha QY100
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by markuc on Wed Aug 24, 2022 1:43 am
jazzundso wrote
taylorscott2 wroteYeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

When did you make that test? You surely know that there were massive optimizations done in Studio One 5.5.

It's very smooth with my 800 tracks template. Zooming vertically is slow - but apart from that nothing I would complain about.


Lukas, You write that your computer has 24 GB of RAM, is this size sufficient for your 1000 tracks template ? My template takes almost 100 GB of RAM, of course including S1 and system.

S1 temp RAM.jpg

Martin Kucera

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Cubase 12, Studio One 5, EastWest Opus,
Hollywood Platinum Orchestra with Opus Edition
Kurzweil PC3k
Roland SE-02
Elektron Digitone
Modal Argon
Ensoniq TS10
Ensoniq SQ1+
Akai S1000
M-Audio Oxygen Pro61
Yamaha QY100
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by bz57 on Wed Aug 24, 2022 12:30 pm
markuc wrote
jazzundso wrote
taylorscott2 wroteYeah, S1 just has a hard time with really large projects in my experience. I made a template in S1 that was identical to one I have in Nuendo, and it was much more sluggish in S1. Unfortunately, a lot of people won't accept the fact that S1 just isn't optimized super great to work with large projects, and will just say it's a problem with your system.

When did you make that test? You surely know that there were massive optimizations done in Studio One 5.5.

It's very smooth with my 800 tracks template. Zooming vertically is slow - but apart from that nothing I would complain about.


Lukas, You write that your computer has 24 GB of RAM, is this size sufficient for your 1000 tracks template ? My template takes almost 100 GB of RAM, of course including S1 and system.

S1 temp RAM.jpg


1 - Your CPU is running at only 2.23Ghz. That's not good at all, disable all power management on processor so that it runs at maximum speed all the time.

2 - Since you're using a GeForce GPU, make sure to uninstall GeForce Experience because it causes a multitude of problems for audio work.

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by jazzundso on Wed Aug 24, 2022 5:53 pm
markuc wroteLukas, You write that your computer has 24 GB of RAM, is this size sufficient for your 1000 tracks template ? My template takes almost 100 GB of RAM, of course including S1 and system.


Yes, at least for me this works great. When working with these large templates, all tracks/instruments are disabled and I only enable the ones I need. So the RAM usage usually isn't that high. Sure, 32 GB would be better and for my next computer I will probably go for 64 GB or more... but I don't really feel that limited with my current setup.

Lukas Ruschitzka
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by markuc on Thu Aug 25, 2022 1:59 am
jazzundso wrote
markuc wrote
When working with these large templates, all tracks/instruments are disabled and I only enable the ones I need.


thank you, this is maybe the most important message for me, in my template I have all tracks permanently enabled, this is maybe the reason why SO1 is so slow ...

Martin Kucera

I9 18-core, 128 GB RAM, GeForge 3080 12GB RAM, Windows 11

Cubase 12, Studio One 5, EastWest Opus,
Hollywood Platinum Orchestra with Opus Edition
Kurzweil PC3k
Roland SE-02
Elektron Digitone
Modal Argon
Ensoniq TS10
Ensoniq SQ1+
Akai S1000
M-Audio Oxygen Pro61
Yamaha QY100

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