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So afaik it's not been possible to make sound variations 'follow' a note - which means endless adjusting and re-adjusting of the sound variation automation lane every time you nudge MIDI notes and transients.

This is still the case, yes?

Anyone have workarounds they'd like to share?

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by Tacman7 on Mon May 16, 2022 3:52 pm
If you move the midi event in the arrange window everything moves.

If you select a note and a sound variation they move together.

A sound variation stays in effect until a new one is hit so they don't have to be exact.

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by sdinoia on Mon May 16, 2022 5:43 pm
you can, you need to turn on this

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by TonalDynamics on Tue May 17, 2022 6:34 pm
Tacman7 wrote
If you select a note and a sound variation they move together.

A sound variation stays in effect until a new one is hit so they don't have to be exact.


Yes I know about the selecting them together, trouble is that is tedious to keep doing manually hundreds of times a day and if you're working with orchestral libraries it can be very annoying when something doesn't sound right only for you to realize you forgot to select a SV.

I was hoping by now for a way to make SVs follow noteheads - looks like that's still not possible!

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by Tacman7 on Tue May 17, 2022 7:11 pm
The previous post has the answer, turn that on and anything you select will select the sound variation along with it.

I tried it, works fine, haven't seen that before.

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by jazzundso on Wed May 18, 2022 1:47 am
TonalDynamics wroteI was hoping by now for a way to make SVs follow noteheads - looks like that's still not possible!

Vote for it:

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by Lokeyfly on Wed May 18, 2022 8:57 pm
sdinoia wroteyou can, you need to turn on this

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I think a lot of people are just not aware of this capability.as apposed to SV's follow noteheads exactly, which could possibly impact other notes not looking to change, for example when quantized. Maybe there's a workaround or adaptability. The FR doesn't go into the details.

I get it that notes can be moved, trimmed and copied and would always keep their Sound Variation. Only what about neighboring notes possibly a tick before, or after are altered when quantized? Do they then change to some altered variation? I'm admittedly not clear on the differences. If every note has its own dedicated articulation, I guess that's the intent. Which is certainly a good thing. As long as other notes dont fall victum to the change (articulation). If other notes do change, it's just as much a workflow conundrum. Orchestra or not.

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by Lokeyfly on Thu May 19, 2022 10:56 am
TonalDynamics wrote
Tacman7 wrote
If you select a note and a sound variation they move together.

A sound variation stays in effect until a new one is hit so they don't have to be exact.


Yes I know about the selecting them together, trouble is that is tedious to keep doing manually hundreds of times a day and if you're working with orchestral libraries it can be very annoying when something doesn't sound right only for you to realize you forgot to select a SV.

I was hoping by now for a way to make SVs follow noteheads - looks like that's still not possible!

Cheers

I think this solves the issue for you, TonalDynamics.
I recalled by memory this morning to try this and I just proofed it out. It works very well, and quickly.

Where you've created or have a sound variation setup (lets use Presence XT "Alto Sax Full" as an example) open an event where the SV is setup with notes you have in place. Otherwise draw a few notes in the event.

Now, instead of selecting from the Sound Variations menu (note editor wrench opens up the SV setup), any of those 12 articulations, instead try right clicking directly on any of your notes. The menu from the note itself will show all of the articulations available which are many. Try Storzando "sf". It will be checked and the note marked "sf". Move the note around, even past the other notes. The articulation will stay with that note anywhere you drag it and not impact the other notes!

Beauty! You can also apply sound variations. The menu will also show you which sound variations are used.

Selecting articulations and moving notes this way are held intact (tied).

Give it a try.

:idea: One thing I would have liked to try but didn't have time is select several notes. Right click and see if those notes receive an articulation. Could be cool.

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by Lokeyfly on Thu May 19, 2022 10:57 pm
Progress: I tried selecting several notes and applying this articulation technique by adding Sforzando "sfz". Works perfectly, SV follow noteheads, even when group selected.

They also show up in notation.

You simply need to right click on a note directly. Then sound variations follow the note and ARE NOT a seperate entity. Freely without issue, drag note(s) around.

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by jazzundso on Fri May 20, 2022 5:33 am
Lokeyfly wroteI get it that notes can be moved, trimmed and copied and would always keep their Sound Variation. Only what about neighboring notes possibly a tick before, or after are altered when quantized? Do they then change to some altered variation? I'm admittedly not clear on the differences. If every note has its own dedicated articulation, I guess that's the intent.

That's why the feature request exists.

For assigning SVs to multiple notes, you might want to look into the various videos we made:

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Both right-click, the Sound Variation list in the inspector and assigning SVs via keyboard shortcuts work for multiple notes.

Then sound variations follow the note and ARE NOT a seperate entity.

They are still a seperate entity. But if the "Select Part Automation with Notes" option is enabled, Studio One tries to select the correct Sound Variations. This doesn't always succeed. Especially if you have many SV changes or if you select/move/copy notes in the middle of a phrase, they won't keep the correct SVs. Sound Variations are not a note attribute.

Therefore the feature request.

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by Lokeyfly on Fri May 20, 2022 11:51 am
Thanks Lukas, when I stated that, I noted I wasn't clear on those neighboring note aspects. Fortunately, I then found how to insert variations immediately after. Pretty cool. Your first video showed that right away.

Nice presentation on the subject!

What I wasn't clear on is in your FR, you state
"Currently, Sound Variations are time-based, separate from notes and can be inserted at a certain position. Keeping notes and Sound Variations in sync is always a problem when notes are moved around or copied."

It's most likely at the time of the FR (July 2020), that this wasn't available yet. Now, Sound Variations can embed with the note. Of course your video goes way beyond that and can be very Informative.

The 2nd video is quite similar to how I call up variations, but without the slick search field. 👍

Anyway, the good from this post was that I found a way to embed Variations right to the notes and freely move them (super). Previously, it would take me way longer fidgeting with moving such things to get just the right results. The OP is correct that it can be cumbersome moving both the articulation and the note in a dense score (orchestral or not).

Thanks for sharing the vids! I'll watch for them!

I hope the OP is aware of the right click to attach articulations. I believe that solves his issue.

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by jazzundso on Fri May 20, 2022 1:24 pm
Lokeyfly wroteIt's most likely at the time of the FR (July 2020), that this wasn't available yet. Now, Sound Variations can embed with the note.

At the time when I created this FR, Sound Variations didn't exist as all (we introduced them with V5.2 in March 2021). I wrote this FR for Keyswitches (introduced with V5.0 in summer 2020) and updated title + description with the release of Sound Variations.

So what I suggest in the feature request (-> SV as note attributes) wasn't possible in 2020 and it's still not possible now ;-)

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by Lokeyfly on Fri May 20, 2022 5:27 pm
I see. Well, here's hoping sound variations become note attributes. So far, it's an excellent effort in placing key switches in at least their own lanes and articulations being attached to notes.

I hadn't updated to v5 (from 4.6) until v5.2 mainly because of projects in work. Clip Gain and mixer snapshot were my main needs for the updates I've come to like the sound variation editor a lot.

I voted up for the FR immediately after you linked it in this post. 👍

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