@Lokeyfly: The videos may have called it differently than the official release notes but what the feature does is not primarily create chords. As I said, the only thing that is new is that Paint Tool can now also stack notes vertically (according to the Scale options) if you hold down Alt instead of just drawing lines. If you select major / minor triads or a pentatonic scale, you will get chords. If you select any other scale - you just get stacked notes (which are actually chords if you want - diatonic scale voicings or chromatic clusters ).
The order does not matter. You can hold down Alt before you start dragging or while you're dragging. Both will give you the same result. (Don't confuse this with the Strum feature - there the order is important!). What you were showing creates (paints) and positions notes based on the grid length. Completely different and occurs selecting the Alt key first, then draw to generate a string of notes. That's been available for quite a whole.No, it's exactly the same function. Hold Alt and draw notes. Horizontally (< 5.5) or vertically (5.5). Try it out By the way, in both cases the note lengths are based on the quantize grid.
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I believe my point was the Strum feature. So thanks for clarifying on the chord Stack that it does not matter. You're correct!
I saw that in your example, as it illustrated creating a Chord. Still a bit different in that the grid forms notes, but I'll just look closer at that. To be honest. At least in my workflow. The last thing I'll do is create such a Chord generated string. I do alt drag in a series of notes in time, to speed things up. For chords, I just find timing to be too delicate, but again it's a workflow thing. Someone may use that merely as a starting point to manipulate fine positioning later. Different strokes. Still, as I speak for myself, the Stum Fearure order is a bit whack.
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Lokeyfly wroteI believe my point was the Strum feature.Yes - here the order matters. Indeed this can be confusing because if you hold down the modifier keys before you start dragging, you edit the velocity instead of strumming the chord. Lokeyfly wroteI saw that in your example, as it illustrated creating a Chord.I used a pentatonic scale as I think it's the most useful scale setting if you use this feature. I don't see much musical point in using it to create chromatic clusters. Lokeyfly wroteStill a bit different in that the grid forms notes, but I'll just look closer at that.Quantization is applied both times: For horizontal (or diagonal) lines it's the quantize value, for vertical ones it's the selected scale (or chromatic if "Scale" is disabled).
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Vocalpoint wrotej0001s wroteIf you rely on the magnifying glass zoom as a core part of your workflow, you may want to hold off. "It only zooms horizontally" is correct, but further explanation may illustrate why I miss it as much as I do. [shift][alt/opt] turns the cursor into the magnifying glass. With the magnifying glass, select the region that you want to zoom into, and it will fill the arrange window. Want to get closer, repeat. As you would expect. Where it gets really useful is if instead of selecting, you click the mouse button, it takes you back to the previous zoom level and view. And, if you've zoomed in 5 times, you can zoom back through the 5 previous zoom views by clicking 5 times in a row. I'll start with the song fully visible in the the arrange window, and zoom in and out to get to where I need to. WAY faster than any other approach. I can be looking at one track at the sample level, go "click, click, click, click" and see the whole song again. With vertical zoom broken, the magnifying glass isn't useful. |
Lokeyfly wroteVocalpoint wroteAll Wouldn't it be more useful if the algorythm could just skip a note to create major/minor chords instead of stacking notes on top of each other? Personally (but maybe I'm being blind here) I can't imagine myself stacking notes on top of each other, is it really there only to create strum patterns? Or am I missing something? If not for strum patterns, why would you stack notes on top of each other?
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Yes jazzundso, I agree on al points.
Strum Pattern = having to hold down the preferred note in a fully selected chord, then select Option + Command (Mac) or Control + Alt (Win). Now, while holding down the note with the mouse and two fingers (LoL) drag the line to the required strum distance. Check. And repeat if necessary. We joked about this in another post, but since there's room for one more. I believe the person who came up with that sequence was once this Police Officer in his former career. It would have to be.
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kisnou wroteLokeyfly wroteVocalpoint wroteAll Nor could I. I don't have much use for it. I suspect if someone wanted to generate a scale off of a note it could lend itself as an aid. Either purposely, or mistaking. If you know you're in a specific scale, it could be cool. Can't fathom some of the lack of standard conventions.
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Anyone knows if Copy and Paste channel settings ever worked with channels contained in a multi-instrument before 5.5?
I have never tried before today but this is currently not working. |
My new project in 5.5 is very bugged, becomes silent in some parts. It was working fine at first. Now it's the second time it happens, but the first time I managed to make it work again after restarting studio one, now that trick it doesn't work anymore.
Edit: the midi meter is showing midi data being received sporadically, most of the midi notes in the events (I was using Massive, Kontakt, Spitfire libraries) don't play. My samples for drums and percussions are also not playing (so audio files) This has never happened to me before 5.5
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I just did a quite large virtual orchestra project (only VI, no audio) with 5.5 and didn't experience any issues like that.
Are you sure that your instruments don't play the instrument parts or is it due to audio dropouts? You need to differentiate: Is MIDI data not received correctly from the MIDI input or does everything look correctly in the instrument parts but the instruments don't play? If it's the latter: Could you check with midiMonitor ( https://plugins4free.com/plugin/1432/ ) if it's really notes not being sent to the instrument? Does this happen with and without Dropout Protection?
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kisnou wroteMy new project in 5.5 is very bugged, becomes silent in some parts. It was working fine at first. Now it's the second time it happens, but the first time I managed to make it work again after restarting studio one, now that trick it doesn't work anymore. Unfortunately upgrading studio one and things going wrong afterwards does not point to a smoking gun to anywhere. Check your ASIO buffers and driver config in studio one. Dropout protection is generally best off or as low as possible, try experimenting with the values. Otherwise... Try uninstalling Focusrite drivers, reboot, install latest Focusrite drivers (make sure you uninstall and reboot, not just reinstall). I've had a similar issue upon upgrading DAWs and this resolved it (and it's worked for other people). Otherwise you may have to rule out a bad plugin.
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jazzundso wroteI just did a quite large virtual orchestra project (only VI, no audio) with 5.5 and didn't experience any issues like that. Thanks Lukas, I rebooted my computer and the project seems to be working correctly , however as I mentioned it's the second time it happens in 5.5 (never happened before). Literally out of nowhere, so I can't imagine what triggered it. When the project was bugged, midi data was received correctly from my midi keyboard. I could play fine but the midi notes inside the event did not seem to be received by the plugins. If I kept restarting the playback, some notes could be heard sporadically, some others were completely silent. Audio files had the same problem, playing for a bar or two then went silent. If it happens again, I'll submit a ticket and post here too. But for now, I have work to do so I'm going back to 5.4.1.
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kisnou wroteIf I kept restarting the playback, some notes could be heard sporadically, some others were completely silent. Audio files had the same problem, playing for a bar or two then went silent. Then it's most likely not a MIDI problem - but needs further debugging. Sending this song to tech support is a good idea.
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j0001s wroteVocalpoint wrotej0001s wrote"It only zooms horizontally" is correct, but further explanation may illustrate why I miss it as much as I do. This is exactly what I do as well and why 5.5 is killing me right now. On top of that, there is strange folder behavior. I want the 5.5 features but working like a solid 5.2 release. |
Two possible bugs I found so far in 5.5:
1. In the project page when 'updating the mastering file' it often fails to render correctly. I have only had 1 correct render that way. It seems that some plugins are not initializing / loading correctly, which makes the start of the export bugged (no audio or weird audio that doesn't fit my song). To solve it atm: I just go to my song page and update the mastering file from there, everything has been 100% on point if I do it that way. Same behavior on two different projects. 2. For me there are some issues with folders in the song page. Not a massive issue, just weird behavior. I often work with folders in folders to keep everything organized and there seems to be an alignment issue as of 5.5. See these screenshots: The issue: After collapsing and expanding the folder (no other changes): In these screenshots I added 'nexus' vst to the folder, and it places it incorrectly (opposed to the other synths). The others are all placed in their folders and look exactly as in 5.4. Then after collapsing and expanding the 'BASS' folder, it gets placed all together again, but still different as it was in 5.4 (and different as the other sounds above & below of it). Curious if anybody else is experiencing these issues? Other than that it's running pretty well over here so far |
anonymouspanda wrote2. For me there are some issues with folders in the song page. Not a massive issue, just weird behavior. I often work with folders in folders to keep everything organized and there seems to be an alignment issue as of 5.5. See these screenshots: Yes, this issue has already been reported: viewtopic.php?f=151&t=47460 It's related to the track filter updates in 5.5...
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jazzundso wroteanonymouspanda wrote2. For me there are some issues with folders in the song page. Not a massive issue, just weird behavior. I often work with folders in folders to keep everything organized and there seems to be an alignment issue as of 5.5. See these screenshots: Ah good, I missed that one so thanks for letting me know. Now curious if anyone has experienced the other issue as well. |
Just an update on the keyboard shortcuts. It seems that my issue with one particular shortcut is probably related to the color toolbar extension and macros. I updated today and lost my "~" tilde related shortcut again (second time). I just removed and reassigned and it worked again. All good.
I just wanted to mention this so that I can remove any suspicion of the cause being the 5.5 update. It has been found innocent on one misdemeanor count of shortcut tampering.
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roland1 wroteJust an update on the keyboard shortcuts. It seems that my issue with one particular shortcut is probably related to the color toolbar extension and macros. I updated today and lost my "~" tilde related shortcut again (second time). I just removed and reassigned and it worked again. All good. I'm not using the color toolbar extension, but did have missing shortcuts after the 5.5 update. I was also using the ~ as a shortcut which stopped working. It was weird, but removing and re-entering them in the settings screen was enough for all shortcuts to start working again! No issues after that. |
Wow. So there's something there after all. The dreaded "tilde bug".
Okay, well I guess we have to put 5.5 back on the suspects list.
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