roland1 wroteDid Gregor have grey hair before he did this sidechaining video? I don't think so.
Just sayin'... Something's up.

He's had it for a while. I boned up on the versions and releases, he and Joe Gilder are basically family now.

garyanderson5 wroteTotlal rubbish that Gregor video. Sorry to correct you Gregor put your plain wrong. Saying it was always this way is untrue. I can't believe he would even come out with something like this. Is this Presonus way of avoiding the fact they made an epic distaster of a mistake by makeing everyone who reported it look stupid. I just tried this again with both midi and audio and like everyone has posted before this never existed in anything but 5.1 and 5.2 period.

Pic below of a test that took 10mins to set up using both midi and audio in V4. 116.3MS of delay on the buss and both sidechains are perfectly in time. Disgracefull on every level Presonus.

Says it always existed...what is v5.0.0, v5.0.1, v5.0.2? Those work just fine without this "fix". Is Gregor serious?

Gregor’s talking about something different (or the workaround happens to work for both cases), it’s not some grand cover up. There are situations where side-chain latency has always been limited but they involve monitoring and Dropout Protection and they’re not the same as this new (well, multiple versions “new”) issue.

As annoying as it is to have to do my work in a different version of my DAW, I’m pretty sure Presonus knows about this. Whether they know that it is actually a showstopper for a large group people I’m not so sure about.

Alright then, call off snake oil dude.

Darn it. I had already lit my torch and was sharpening my pitchfork. Oh well, I guess I'll have to wait until the next rally.

Ofc it's not a cover up. It's called put a work around out quick because weve had endless complaints and need to save face because we dismissed people that actually know what there talking about who made tickets from October last year. It's not Gregors fault and i understand he is trying to help but it should never of come to this. Just acknowledge there is a problem and deal with it. Don't wait 5 months making people look bad that reported it over and over again then pop a work around out 5 months later like its just cropped up.

I highly appreciate that there is a video reaction on this with a workaround. To integrate this into a large pop/rock arrangement is sadly a complete mess but could be somewhat done, so if it is needed to work in 5.1+ than this could be a solution.
I'm a bit afraid, that this could mean, that the problem won't be solved in the near future.

At least it seems this thread has accomplished it's intended purpose! Getting Gregor to do a workaround video indicates they now understand how important this is.

I would expect a fix in the next release or at least soon. Fingers crossed.

gabo

garybowling wrote...
I would expect a fix in the next release or at least soon. Fingers crossed.

gabo

Or a discount coupon for Cubase or Digital Performer.

shallsoul wroteHello! Gregor just post some...video

Thanks for posting this, which I wouldn't have seen otherwise. I check Presonsus' YT channel pretty much everyday and was surprised when I saw this video posted. I went back to the YT channel and sure enough, this video is not there -- then I noticed it says "unlisted" under the video title.

How were you able to see this originally...I'd like to see if there are other instructional or tutorial videos I've missed.

Thanks!

If you need a temporary workaround, then I'd propose this:

No need for Ghost Busses, but it still gets complicated very quick.
TBH, the PITA and FOMO of being stuck in v5.02 is IMO preferable. (sorry, didn't find an abbreviation for "preferable" ;-)

So, the current solution for this problem is to transfer your mixdown to Studio One 5.02.

Personally, I have one question: why is that video unlisted? How are we supposed to watch it if it's unlisted?

Very shady. This is really not a good thing in my opinion.

Also I have to agree on the fact that 'half-baked' is and will be the right term to describe what Presonus does.
It pisses me off cause I strongly believe it would easily become a great DAW, but they keep adding features on top of each other without fixing all the bugs that they have created. I really don't get it.
Do they think that fans just want more features? If you ask all the producers who have tried S1, 90% of them will tell you they don't use it because of the many bugs/problems it has.

kisnou wrotePersonally, I have one question: why is that video unlisted? How are we supposed to watch it if it's unlisted?

Very shady. This is really not a good thing in my opinion.

Also I have to agree on the fact that 'half-baked' is and will be the right term to describe what Presonus does.
It pisses me off cause I strongly believe it would easily become a great DAW, but they keep adding features on top of each other without fixing all the bugs that they have created. I really don't get it.
Do they think that fans just want more features? If you ask all the producers who have tried S1, 90% of them will tell you they don't use it because of the many bugs/problems it has.

Nothing compared to the state Sonar was in..but I do agree that bug fixing needs to be number one priority always.

BTW anybody with a link can watch an unlisted video. Not shady at all, Presonus don't want to go around promoting their bugs.

PreAl wrote

kisnou wrote
BTW anybody with a link can watch an unlisted video.

Yeah I know, but where was that link posted originally? I believe all S1 users should know about this issue? There are many many people who don't always check the forums..

kisnou wrote

PreAl wrote

kisnou wrote
BTW anybody with a link can watch an unlisted video.

Yeah I know, but where was that link posted originally? I believe all S1 users should know about this issue? There are many many people who don't always check the forums..

Well you found it and so did I. There is no issue. There is no harm giving somebody the URL. I would rather have the video than nothing at all.

PreAl wrote
Snake oil fix?

Yes this needs fixing yesterday by developers, but in the meantime anything that can help from Presonus employees is welcome. Thankyou Gregor for your efforts and this workaround (btw he actually calls it a workaround in the video, not a fix).

Totally agree Al. Snake Oil implies that it is something being sold for a high amount of money that does nothing. I woujldn't even call this a band-aid fix, as that implies that it is being covered up in hopes the issue will go away. Workaround, as Gregor calls it, is the best thing to call it. Workaround implies it's a known issue. Here is how to get around it, while we look at ways to fix this in the future.

If Presonus had no intention of fixing this, they surely wouldn't have had one of their employees post this workaround video. They would have tried to bury this in hopes we forget about it. Fortunately, Presonus isn't that kind of company.

But anyway, here here. Gregor is amazing. Probably learned more from his videos than anyone else's. Glad he found this workaround until Presonus can get this fixed

Gregor is an employee. He does as he's told or he loses his job. This has nothing to do with him.

It's more about the lack of transparency when there is a serious issue with the product for which we have paid outright, or are paying for on a monthly basis.

A workaround may be useful in a simple situation, but it contradicts the whole ideology of Studio One, which is to be simple and efficient (drag and drop; everything made easier than other DAWs). That something so fundamental to the creative process of their target audience is left broken for so many months is unthinkable. But here we are.

But yes, let's not focus on Gregor or suggest that he is somehow "in on it." He's just doing his job to make people happy in using that product — and putting out fires that others have started.