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Hi There,

I found this video talking about a new option in Studio One 5 for for file save settings "Use cached plug-in data on save".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsowD9BEdjg

The person posting the video says it will save a significant amount of time on a file save. The current save time is a very annoying issue to me on larger projects, and seems to be to others also. Here is where you set this new setting.

download/file.php?mode=view&id=13913

As per the video poster I could not find anything about this in the new Studio One 5 manual.

Does anyone know what this really does and if there are any disadvantages to saving song files this way?

Thank you,

eaglepass

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by webhamster on Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:21 am
I've been wondering the same. There must be a reason why it's optional.

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by nk_e on Thu Jul 09, 2020 5:04 am
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by PreAl on Thu Jul 09, 2020 6:48 am
It's going to be safer doing it the slow way. If the cache gets corrupted then your projects may get corrupted.

The question is how would this cache get corrupted.
I guess if you upgraded a plugin with studio one still running?
Antivirus could lock a file in the cache (hence always a good idea to make sure antivirus never goes near any caching folders).
The code with studio one V5 could be buggy and it could corrupt itself.

Personally I would avoid this feature until it's proven to be bug free. Then again I'm not upgrading studio one until at least a few patches are out.

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by eaglepass on Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:14 am
I am bumping this to see if anyone now has any additional experience or insight into this new save option?

It would be great to understand this better and get some understanding if there is any significant risk in using this new save option.

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by robertgray3 on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:32 pm
I tried it with a project that took a long time to save and it made no difference on the save time.

Aside from that, I got nothing :D hope that helps

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by mivey on Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:59 am
robertgray3 wroteI tried it with a project that took a long time to save and it made no difference on the save time.

Aside from that, I got nothing :D hope that helps


Same experience with my tests as well. If it’s supposed to be faster I”m not feel in’ the love :D

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by alexanderschiebel on Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:43 am
I'm using Studio One with a huge metaframe in Vienna Ensemble Pro, and it takes several minutes (!) to save a project. When I tick this option, it takes only a few seconds.

I tried it yesterday for the first time after tweaking some keyswitch preferences in an instance of Kontakt (which is hosted by my VE Pro metaframe).

When I loaded the project today I was wondering where those keyswitch settings went, because they were at default again.

At first I wondered if I had forgotten to save the project, but then I remembered that I used this option yesterday for the first time. May be I'll try it again some time in the future, but for the moment I will return to deactivating this option just to be sure and play it safe with my huge template.
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by StuBabe on Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:10 pm
I've been using this feature for a couple of months and as I am one that saves often, it's a big time saver. How it saves so fast that it doesn't save the info in the plug-ins. So if you make a change in a plug-in, you have to do a full save in order to have S1 remember it the next time you load the project. Say you made a change in a Kontakt instance, you have to do a full save. I always do a full save before closing a song.

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by PreAl on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:31 pm
Well it's been seven months now since this thread was created, one would hope if there are any bugs that they would be ironed out by now. Haven't seen many complaints recently.

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by robertgray3 on Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:35 pm
alexanderschiebel wroteI'm using Studio One with a huge metaframe in Vienna Ensemble Pro, and it takes several minutes (!) to save a project. When I tick this option, it takes only a few seconds.

I tried it yesterday for the first time after tweaking some keyswitch preferences in an instance of Kontakt (which is hosted by my VE Pro metaframe).

When I loaded the project today I was wondering where those keyswitch settings went, because they were at default again.

At first I wondered if I had forgotten to save the project, but then I remembered that I used this option yesterday for the first time. May be I'll try it again some time in the future, but for the moment I will return to deactivating this option just to be sure and play it safe with my huge template.


Yeah, there are some plug-ins it doesn’t work with so I stopped using it. It wasn’t worth the faster saves to find every once in a while some plug-in’s settings were back to default.

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by PreAl on Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:55 pm
Famous last words.

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by stevenpalomino on Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:49 pm
StuBabe wrote Say you made a change in a Kontakt instance, you have to do a full save. I always do a full save before closing a song.


Sorry but what's a "full save"?
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by stevenpalomino on Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:50 pm
Anyone else have an issue with some libraries not loading properly on re-open? this happened to me the other day and I think it was for this reason
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by patricemazmanian on Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:44 pm
"Use cached plug-in data on save" is permanently checked on my computer.
My template has more than 150 tracks, I have never lost settings on my vsti, vst. I am using EW Holywood Orchestra, with 32Gig of RAM. I make sure not to use all of my RAM (in general, there is between 9 and 12Gig available)
I would like to know, which plugins are causing the problem, if I have them, I would like to do a test.
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by StuBabe on Wed Feb 17, 2021 11:05 pm
stevenpalomino wrote
StuBabe wrote Say you made a change in a Kontakt instance, you have to do a full save. I always do a full save before closing a song.


Sorry but what's a "full save"?


A full save is without the Use cached plug-in data on save checked. Without it checked, S1 will save the current status of your plug-ins.

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by normanyoung2 on Wed Jun 29, 2022 3:07 am
I find the time it takes to save varies even when the box is ticked. IOt takes longer if you;ve made some changes to the instruments.

The advice is to leave it ticked when working on the project, but untick it before your final save.

It's a pity given this advice, that if the box is ticked, when you decide to save the project, it doesn't offer you the choice to do a full save. This would be the best of both worlds. It would, of course, not do that during auto-save.

The project I'm currently working on has 49 midi tacks, but for many tracks I'm using Opus (with up to 16 sample sets per instance), Synchron, VSL Instrs, UVI and MIR.

It takes a long time the first time it saves, but is much quick after then - useful when auto backing up, but still a bore.

The time difference isn't significantly smaller when closing the file with or without the box ticked.


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by jazzundso on Wed Sep 14, 2022 5:09 pm
eaglepass wroteDoes anyone know what this really does and if there are any disadvantages to saving song files this way?

Yes, I heavily discussed this feature with Studio One's main programmer back then. Here I've explained how it works:

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Apologies for the terrible English in the video... but the content is still almost up to date ;)

A "new" behavior we introduced in Studio One 4.5 is that autosave always uses cached plug-in data - independently from the option. The “Use cached plug-in data on save” option now affects manual Save only. So autosave takes less time but you can do a full save by disabling the option and saving manually.

PreAl wroteWell it's been seven months now since this thread was created, one would hope if there are any bugs that they would be ironed out by now. Haven't seen many complaints recently.

The problem isn't bugs in that feature. It's that it requires plug-ins to notify the DAW of any changes the users makes inside the plug-in. If the plug-in does not report changes, these changes won't be saved to the song file so they would be lost if no "full save" is done which requests the data from all plug-ins again and saves them to file.

By the way, I've enabled this option since it's introduction in summer 2020 and I haven't had any issues with it even with large templates with hundreds of Kontakt, VSL, SINE Player, ENGINE and HALion instances and all synths I have.

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