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I'm kinda on the fence and waffling back and forth about doing the Slate Everything Bundle subscription for $15 a month. Has anyone compared their VCC to the Console Shaper and would like to share their thoughts? I know they function differently (plugin vs integrated into the mix engine) but the VCC seems to get a lot of praise.

I have Waves NLS and when the mood strikes I use that over Console Shaper because my limited playing-around with C.S. seemed to always just completely collapse my stereo field... probably me "overcooking" it but that seemed to be the only way I could actually tell any difference between using it or not.

Curious about people's thoughts on the Slate program in general as well if anyone would like to share. I hear great things about it and I am hoping it could help with my constant obsessing over getting new plugins knowing I am already spending money every month on plugins already. I looked at the Waves Flex program and well... yeah... if you already own Gold like I do, there really is no point since anything else I would want is not in the program. I am very curious about the Fat Channel stuff but it is pretty pricey to buy the bundles outright.

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by Blades on Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:57 am
Regarding the fat channel stuff... Keep your eyes open for the freebies. I have two of the packs in my FC now and didn't have to pay for them. That added several eq and comp modules. Still haven't experimented with them at all, but they are there when I want to.

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by darrenporter1 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:25 am
Which ones did you get free? I have the default ones that just come with it and seem to always be free and the Vintage Channel Strips bundle which was the freebie up until last week. Did I miss one of the offers???

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by darrenporter1 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:34 am
Another rent-to-own plan that has piqued my interest is the Plugin Alliance one where you can pick your plugins that are included. This one actually has an end-date where you stop paying monthly and then you own the plugins. With Slate it is $15 per month forever... or until they raise the price... then it's that price forever...

People seem to really love and swear by VCC and their tape emu VTM, using them on every channel but I was just wondering how Console Shaper stacked-up. I already own the XLN RC-20 Retro Color plugin which is a fantastic "everything analog" plugin. So there are two redundancies right there right out of the gate as far as Slate goes. I also have Waves NLS which I happen to really like, especially on snare and kick. Gives some really cool edge to bass tracks as well.

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by Blades on Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:01 pm
The first freebie I got was the one that had these:

VT1 EQ
VT1 Comp
RC500 EQ
RC500 Comp

The second one (the vintage one) had these:

Vintage 3-band EQ
The Tube EQ
Classic Comp
The Tube PB1

Honestly, as I've stated before, I don't really know how much any of this benefits me, really. I actually prefer the visuals that come with the Standard EQ. I haven't really had a chance to HEAR the difference. My ears tell me, from all the demos I've heard, that the Compressors have more character than the EQs do. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Either way, I have lots of options for whatever mood I might be in when mixing something.

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by darrenporter1 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:16 pm
OK those are the ones I have too. Glad I didn't miss a freebie :-)

I think I have decided I am going to really learn Scheps Omni Channel, Console Shaper and the Fat Channels I have inside and out before I decide on new plugin purchases.

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by Jemusic on Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:24 pm
I have got J37 for tape emulation which is nice. I would be looking at the TAPE Mix FX plugin though if I were thinking of a tape emulator now. I have got the CTC-1 and like it a lot but don't have Slate so its hard to compare.

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by jBranam on Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:38 pm
i have them both but can only speak of my opinion because i think they both sound completely different. imo i tend to like the console shaper mainly for the cross talk which appeals to me... that little bit of bleed between channels gives a sound i can't get with the VCC setup. it is just a more full bodied sound as a whole imo but all things are subjective. i think the VCC has a 'warmer' analog tone than the console shaper individually but then i fall back on what i said before... i don't get the cross talk fullness from the VCC if that makes sense. cheers


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by darrenporter1 on Sun Aug 19, 2018 8:57 pm
Jemusic wroteI have got J37 for tape emulation which is nice. I would be looking at the TAPE Mix FX plugin though if I were thinking of a tape emulator now. I have got the CTC-1 and like it a lot but don't have Slate so its hard to compare.


Yeah Softube Tape is pretty cool how it integrates with the Mix FX engine. I've seen those application charts somebody made how they all work together but I didn't study them deeply. Looks pretty cool. I know there were rumors that Slate was developing VCC for Mix FX when Mix FX first came out but there is absolutely no word on that subject since those early product pitches.

How do you like CTC-1 compared to the CS? It's "modeled" after a different console right? Worth the extra $$$ to purchase it?

And thanks jB, that's good input. There is a guy on GearSlutz who seems to think the Console Shaper/Mix FX engine is the best thing to come along since the taming of fire. :lol: Posts as much in a few of the VCC-related threads over there.

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by brettgoodkin on Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:42 am
What I find gives the best “anolog” feel is to use whatever channel emu that you like... plugin alliance ssl or neve, slate, kush, whatever... put those on every track and buss...

Then add the mixfx built into s1 or use the ctc or use the mixfx version of softube tape on the 2buss with passthrough to get the benefit of the summing and channel bleed

Also, I don’t use mixfx until all my fx are rendered... otherwise you create feedback with mixfx sending bleed through your fx plugins... something I’m certain I never experienced using real consoles lol

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by Jemusic on Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:47 am
The three basic emulations in CTC-1 are very nice. One is tube, the second a Neve style and third is a special one where you can design it yourself. I find that one is the most pristine and sounds like a mastering console.

What is very cool about CTC-1 is the fact that you don't have to insert something on every track at all. It already takes that into account. That is already done.

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by darrenporter1 on Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:33 am
Yeah the fact that you only put it on your busses makes it much simpler.

I was messing with CS quite a bit last night remixing a song. We'll see how it goes. I'm also digging deeper into Scheps Omni Channel with this mix. JPettit's writeup on Mix Engine FX really helps with getting to know how CS and CTC-1 works and gives a great set of "recommended best-practices" as a starting point on how to use it. viewtopic.php?f=153&t=23778&p=130223&hilit=Studio+One+Pro+Mix+Engine+FX+and+Plugins+Explained#p130223

Thanks for all the input guys. I think I'm going to hold onto my money for now and work with what I have for a while. Then I will re-evaluate... what do I constantly wish I had to do xyz task... and purchase accordingly... instead of chasing different implementations of the same-ol tools I already have.

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by Jemusic on Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:13 pm
I think getting to know Scheps Omni Channel is a very good idea. I have had it for a while and it is a very nice plugin. So much so that you may end up using Omni Channel more so than even a console emulator or tape emulator in fact. It has the ability to pull very similar sounds. Especially once you get to know and use the saturation front end of it well.

There are some very good videos on it especially by Andrew Scheps himself. Well worth watching. he explains it well.

You don't always need to run entire mixes through console emulators either. The fact in the digital world we can put parts of our mix through such stages is very cool indeed. Something you could not do when mixing down on a console. Everything gets the console sound when you do that and that is not always the best option.

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by sebastianholtzer on Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:31 pm
Excuse me please. I`ve got one Question:

Does anybody know how many percent of Crosstalk was ( or still is ) the overall / approximately / usual standard in Hardware Consoles?
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by Jemusic on Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:40 pm
That is a difficult question to answer because in the higher end consoles they went out of their way to minimise crosstalk. Shielding between channels etc.. On the less expensive consoles it may have been a little worse.

Another form of crosstalk also existed and that was in the multitrack tape machine. e.g. loud tracks being next to quiet ones etc.. In this situation it was sometimes much worse than the consoles themselves. The TAPE MixFx plugin actually take this into account. And introduces it in varying degrees e.g. tracks immediately to another track has more cross talk and the crosstalk from tracks further away is less.

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by j0001s on Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:16 pm
sebastianholtzer wroteDoes anybody know how many percent of Crosstalk was ( or still is ) the overall / approximately / usual standard in Hardware Consoles?


A little interweb poking around shows crosstalk between adjacent channels being in the range of -65 db to -90 db (old Soundcraft Ghost vs. new SSL).
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by jBranam on Tue Aug 21, 2018 6:19 pm
+1 :+1 Scheps Omni Channel


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by kurtismcloughlin1 on Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:41 am
I have the Slate and the CTC-1. I used to use the Slate a lot but I prefer the CTC-1 to be honest. I always use the modern setting, really opens the track up and adds that extra bit of character and 3d-ness. It really does sound awesome! The other two settings are good as well but I make a style of EDM (hate that word but it seems to be the modern term people use) which is all electronic stuff but I can see how they would be good for recorded material, guitar, drums, etc. I do like the Slate as well but it's just too much of a headache to setup and the end result is extremely subtle compared to the CTC-1. Some people might like that but for me it's the CTC-1, hands down. I turn the crosstalk off, it doesn't work well turned on with the style I make, I hear a bump in the low mids pop out which I don't like but I do like openness it does bring out in synths and vocals but I still tend to turn it off. Sometimes I might use it on a bus with some strings or vocals. I can see how this would work well though in recorded stuff if it's on very subtle to emulate analogue desks. If Slate could work with the companies to implement their product into the daw like the CTC-1, then I'd be happy to use it again coz it would probably sound much better as well implemented properly. For their vision to truly work properly, it needs to be implemented into the daw, just like Presonus did. That's why I think the CTC-1 sounds so good. I'm extremely happy with it. Only thing is, it can get a bit cpu hungry when you're running a big project. At the end of the last track I finished, it was showing 60% of one of my cpu's. I've tried switching it to eco mode and I can hear a slight difference in sound, the openness it has slightly closes (if that makes any sense) but no difference at all in cpu usage still at 60%. I'm hoping they can improve on that. Still though I'm extremely happy.

Just for the record. I have never used any of the desks that the CTC-1 is emulating so I don't know how accurate it sounds but I do know that, I, personally find it very satisfying and I'm so glad I bought it! :) Kurt

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by frank.crow on Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:38 am
darrenporter1 wroteAnother rent-to-own plan that has piqued my interest is the Plugin Alliance one where you can pick your plugins that are included. This one actually has an end-date where you stop paying monthly and then you own the plugins. With Slate it is $15 per month forever... or until they raise the price... then it's that price forever...

People seem to really love and swear by VCC and their tape emu VTM, using them on every channel but I was just wondering how Console Shaper stacked-up. I already own the XLN RC-20 Retro Color plugin which is a fantastic "everything analog" plugin. So there are two redundancies right there right out of the gate as far as Slate goes. I also have Waves NLS which I happen to really like, especially on snare and kick. Gives some really cool edge to bass tracks as well.


I use Slate VCC and the Tape plugin on every track. It’s fantastic and it’s my goto combo right now.

I started with the Plugin Alliance bundle but I realized that way before I would be done paying for it all of the plugins would be outdated. It was like a 3 year plan. Besides Plugin Alliance always has sales and rewards regular customers.
I was hesitant about the Slate plan because of not owning them ever but I did the math and with the frequency of new plugins added I would always have more value than expense.
The quality of the Slate plugins is amazing and the CPU hit is minimal. Plugin Alliance is still my favorite vendor.
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by musicchamber on Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:43 am
I use Softube Tape as a mix effect on a sub-out - all channels are directed to this, then this goes to the main out. On the main out I have been trying CTC 1 mix effect, and it is really good. I tend not to use any crosstalk, and I like the Custom preset.

I use subtle settings, and it's great.

I have Slates VCC and VTM but I now prefer working the way as noted above.

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