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judithkuijf wroteMy personal focus would be workflow enhancements (smart tool for midi as an example, it is not consequent atm in relation to the audio tools) and bughunting for people that are working fulltime with this software, because I think that was Studio One's original focus. ("gets out of the way, less clicks for lots of music, drag and drop, everything under a key command etc..)


Agree 100%. :thumbup:

judithkuijf wroteThe only real cricitcism would be the upgrade price. 99 dollar would be the "right" choice for the new features, You don't want to look like AVID ;) Even Steinberg looks cheap now :shock:


While I believe that one should buy software for what it is right now (and after demoing it), one could also keep in mind that PreSonus have a pretty good track record so far when it comes to the total value of all features implemented during a full upgrade cycle of S1. Hopefully it will continue like that, and then it's pretty obvious that S1 gives most users more for the money than the likes of AVID or Steinberg. $150 for three years of updates is not bad, especially for professionals.

Becoming/staying bug free is a must.
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by franckmariani on Wed May 23, 2018 4:32 am
Hey guys,

I've bought the update but after that I saw people complaining they can't use SO3 and SO4 because of authorize things. Like transfer SO3 to SO4. If something goes wrong with SO4 we can't go back to V3???

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by breanbeech on Wed May 23, 2018 4:42 am
The negativity as regards to this release is quite overwhelming as I mentioned earlier were at 4.0 , They have made it appeal to EDM guys and gals yes, but I'am also pretty sure that workflow enhancements and point updates will bring more in time. It seems to that a host of new features have been brought out with this release and no doubt enhancements on top of them will come with future feature requests taking a look at other point zero updates and I would say there above par keep it up guys and thankyou for your hard work :D
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by mikemanners on Wed May 23, 2018 4:47 am
rhetrick wroteBefore I waste any more time, 4.0 still doesn't have retrospective record (capture last take as recording) right? It is the only feature I ask d for since version 1. No upgrade for me without it.


Capture, or Retrospective Record was one of my most coveted Ableton Live 10 features for Studio One 4. Many S1 users will be disappointed that it isn't included in Studio One 4.
I think that those who want such a feature in S1 will continue to pester Presonus until they provide it in a future upgrade.
Its true that Presonus would not be able to design a Capture engine similar to that now available in Live 10, without a powerful and flexible Warping mechanism that Live is so famous for.
Nevertheless, Presonus could build a similar system that was available in earlier versions of Cubase, but build it better. I hated the Cubase version.

I use Capture in Live 10 on every midi session, but I can't see an easy way of porting the results over to Studio One 4 via Rewire.

My understanding is that StudioOne insists on being the MASTER - making the process of midi tracks created in Live unavailable via Rewire in S1.
I hope that I am wrong about that, but, I create midi in Live, then export the midi to a folder on my desktop. After-which, I use the S1 Browser and drag and drop the created midi into an instrument track in S1.

Not the most straightforward way to do it - but I value Live's Capture system so highly, it is the penalty I must accept if I want to take advantage of S1's arranging prowess.

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by rhetrick on Wed May 23, 2018 5:12 am
mikemanners wrote
rhetrick wroteBefore I waste any more time, 4.0 still doesn't have retrospective record (capture last take as recording) right? It is the only feature I ask d for since version 1. No upgrade for me without it.


Capture, or Retrospective Record was one of my most coveted Ableton Live 10 features for Studio One 4. Many S1 users will be disappointed that it isn't included in Studio One 4.
I think that those who want such a feature in S1 will continue to pester Presonus until they provide it in a future upgrade.


Logic has done capture brilliantly for probably 15+ years. You'd think a company trying to appeal to EDM kids would understand that arm-recording to metro is 1950s thinking. There is nothing more spontaneous, more musician-feeling, than capture last take. All of those magical moments of creation are ruined the second you have to go back, get your metro going, hit record and robotically remember that brilliant mistake you just did messing around listening to playback.

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by franYo on Wed May 23, 2018 5:47 am
The demo appeared in my account over night. First impressions:

CPU usage seems to be the same. No apparent changes here. Using very CPU hungry plugins (such as Ozone or TDR Slick EQ M in insane mode) on busses still drives the CPU meter into red real quick.

I like most of the GUI changes. The mixer looks less cluttered now and a little bit of depth on the buttons is quite welcome. I do agree with a previous poster that plugin names seem a little blurry now. Not a big deal for me, though, probably just need to get used to it.

What is a big deal for me are the changes in the drum editor. In S1 v3.xx
I can use the drum editor to facilitate the articulation changing process with complex sample libraries. Instead of drum names you can enter articulation names and they get embedded into notes (see second image) so you don’t have to memorize which note triggers what articulation. Excellent stuff, especially for libraries such as Acou6tics and Electri6ity where there are key commands not only for articulation changes but also for picking a string, fret position, release type.

This seems to no longer be possible with S1 v4. Notes in the drum editor are now replaced with the little triangles and rearranged according to pitch (see first image). So, unless I am missing something and there is still a way to display notes in the drum editor — a great thing has been ruined for me.

Note colors according to velocity and improvements in the music editor actions (note selection, humanize, etc) get a big thumbs up from me.

Chord Track and Harmonic Editing together seem like an impressive achievement. I can appreciate the effort, even if I don’t do any loop based stuff here. But who knows, with these new tools available, and if they work really well, I might change my mind about it.

Apologies for the image bluriness, the system only allows for 800x600 picture size.

Btw, where does one turn on the ‘light’ GUI mode?

Edit: The second image is in fact the one taken in S1 v3, while the first one is the new Drum Editor from v4

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by BrentJammer on Wed May 23, 2018 5:58 am
roland1 wroteWell, I saw the video this morning and the air started leaking out of my balloon of expectations.


This.

Perfectly described my feelings there. I want to add: I'm getting freaking tired of this.
- I bought into Sonar, it had lots of issues. They never fixed them, instead implemented a ton of "Happy Clown" stuff, probably misled by a marketing guy who earned Millions for it or to satisfy a customer base of 70+ year old guys waving an US flag
- I searched around forever, finally bought into S1, thought it was the right descission. More and more issues and missing stuff showed, but overall I was happy. It seemed like most things in S1 where very very well thought off and not just "implemented - here you have it". It seemed like there was a plan behind it.
- As I was missing stuff in S1 I bought into NI Maschine - guess what? Tons of issues. Forums are full of complaints, instead of patching those, NI constantly releases new "content", has a huge marketing and Youtube-Channel that nobody wants to have and for Maschine like one hotfix every three month patching two minor issues.
- I come back to find out Presonus decided to go the same path, instead of listening to the users and housekeeping the App, just Marketing related features.

I can not understand that. Why? Are all these companies buying from the same Marketing Agency? Application Developers are cheaper than Marketing guys.
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by Fer2010 on Wed May 23, 2018 6:37 am
lfo2k wrote" It's nice that it has improved for you, but to claim that I'm just not used to the changed contrast is a bit weird. I have a 30" Dell 2560x1600 resolution monitor which upholds to very high image quality standards. The text in the mixer looked great before to me, and now I can hardly read it.

Let's conclude it may differ depending on the monitor / screen you view it on. Don't assume that I need to 'get used' to something that I can't read."

I apologize. Did not whanted to offend you.

I could not spot a big difference on your screenshots. V4 has a little more brightness
in the boxes, this might lead to difficults to see the also white text? Maybe also in combination with brightness a little to high in the settings of your monitor. Just an idea.

A darker background of course leads to better seeing white text. (As in V3)

Working here with scaling 135% and a Dell U2711 (which upholds to very high image quality standards H-IPS panel) in 2560x1440 that was calibrated.
No offend.


Not to worry. They weren't my screenshots by the way. I was agreeing in my post with the person who posted them, as I also find the text hard to read. It seems a bit more blurry to me. This could be due to the change of color in the mixer, but in any case almost no changes in the appearance settings fixes it.

We seem to have the same monitors, except mine is the 30" variant, U3011. Not calibrated, but I doubt this discussion about the text in the mixer depends on that, as some other people report the same issue.

I got it decent enough set now that I can work well with it. Will do a better comparison of V3 and V4 when my V3 is working again. Right now due to a bug with Presonus's account system my V3 isn't activated anymore so I can't run it.

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by Fer2010 on Wed May 23, 2018 6:42 am
franckmariani wroteHey guys,

I've bought the update but after that I saw people complaining they can't use SO3 and SO4 because of authorize things. Like transfer SO3 to SO4. If something goes wrong with SO4 we can't go back to V3???


My 'license' for V3 disappeared from the 'my products' page when I upgraded to V4. V3 isn't working anymore now, but technical support assured me this bug will be fixed within a couple of days. It isn't supposed to happen, but it could by mistake.

If everything goes right, you should be able to run both V4 and V3, as they are a separate software on your machine. They still run on mine too, I just can't get V3 to activate anymore due to the bug. Maybe wait a couple of days if you want to be sure.

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by PreAl on Wed May 23, 2018 6:49 am
Skaperverket wroteBecoming/staying bug free is a must.


This as much as possible.
(TO those about to post that no software is bug free.. please don't!). V3 runs very well for me anyway.

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by jonnylipsham on Wed May 23, 2018 7:29 am
BrentJammer wrote
roland1 wroteWell, I saw the video this morning and the air started leaking out of my balloon of expectations.


This.

Perfectly described my feelings there. I want to add: I'm getting freaking tired of this.
- I bought into Sonar, it had lots of issues. They never fixed them, instead implemented a ton of "Happy Clown" stuff, probably misled by a marketing guy who earned Millions for it or to satisfy a customer base of 70+ year old guys waving an US flag
- I searched around forever, finally bought into S1, thought it was the right descission. More and more issues and missing stuff showed, but overall I was happy. It seemed like most things in S1 where very very well thought off and not just "implemented - here you have it". It seemed like there was a plan behind it.
- As I was missing stuff in S1 I bought into NI Maschine - guess what? Tons of issues. Forums are full of complaints, instead of patching those, NI constantly releases new "content", has a huge marketing and Youtube-Channel that nobody wants to have and for Maschine like one hotfix every three month patching two minor issues.
- I come back to find out Presonus decided to go the same path, instead of listening to the users and housekeeping the App, just Marketing related features.

I can not understand that. Why? Are all these companies buying from the same Marketing Agency? Application Developers are cheaper than Marketing guys.


The Dev Team by and largely respond to the FR thread. A LOT of users wanted improved Impact and Sample One. The Got that. A LOT of users wanted AAF import and import Song data. They got that. Additionally, a LOT of users wanted some kind of Chord track. They got it.

If you are going to improve the GUI of Impact, the SOUND and functionality ought to improve as well. It did.
Are there features you wanted that did not get included? watch for the next 4.x update. It may have it.

As for "housekeeping" - How about faster plugin scanner that runs in the background during start up instead of halting start up to scan? How about GUI improvements (again, inline with FRs!)

I don't think for a second that 4.0 is the finished article, just like 3.0 was not. Between 3.0 and 4.0 well over 100 new features were added, all requested in the FR thread. All for Free.

The story here is clear: No DAW company can please all its users all of the time. But it CAN please some of them some of the time, while making general improvements all of the time. PreSonus is doing that. The evidence is unequivocal, in my opinion.

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by peterbirch on Wed May 23, 2018 7:36 am
Tried the new pattern editor looks good. There is a way to convert your pattern into a part but perhaps I am too tired, why cannot you go the other way? I am sure we all have good parts that would make excellent starters for patterns.

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by mixus on Wed May 23, 2018 7:45 am
Are there multiple rulers or a way to see more than one at a time? I have hunted around but don't see it if it does. (i.e. bars AND seconds, not just one or the other). I am really wanting that.

Second thing I was looking for: Let's say you have MIDI CC data in the Modulation and Pitchbend lanes. Is there a way to have them both move when moving the MIDI note? or at least selecting them both so that you can at least move them as a group after having moved the note, so that they line up with the note? Or do you have to section out the part of the region in question and move that region, which is what I've been doing?

Also splitting a stereo file to Mono, and capture last take.

Those are 4 things I've been waiting for, plus phase and mono buttons on the mixer tracks.

Otherwise, I'm still loving S1 and glad to see v4. The new features are nice arrivals. There are things that make it great to work in S1 and I couldn't do without them now, such as the Melodyne integration, converting instrument track to audio, being able to make changes to it and having those changes reflected back into MIDI. Fantastic!
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by SkylineUK on Wed May 23, 2018 7:48 am
PreAl wrote^^

Reading the last comment reminds me of when Gibson dumped Sonar. One of the heavy critisms was that it was not appealing to new customers, it was just giving features that their ageing fanbase wanted (or their Devs). I see this S1 release myself as.. heck let's try to not do a Sonar and try to rope in the kids.


And in doing so have edged S1 towards being relegated to the category of a bedroom looper's toy DAW, and away from the pro-level DAW sector. That's where the greater quantity of sales may be I assume. But they could have addressed both markets, in my opinion.

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by santeripilli on Wed May 23, 2018 7:49 am
jonnylipsham wrote
BrentJammer wrote
roland1 wroteWell, I saw the video this morning and the air started leaking out of my balloon of expectations.


This.

Perfectly described my feelings there. I want to add: I'm getting freaking tired of this.
- I bought into Sonar, it had lots of issues. They never fixed them, instead implemented a ton of "Happy Clown" stuff, probably misled by a marketing guy who earned Millions for it or to satisfy a customer base of 70+ year old guys waving an US flag
- I searched around forever, finally bought into S1, thought it was the right descission. More and more issues and missing stuff showed, but overall I was happy. It seemed like most things in S1 where very very well thought off and not just "implemented - here you have it". It seemed like there was a plan behind it.
- As I was missing stuff in S1 I bought into NI Maschine - guess what? Tons of issues. Forums are full of complaints, instead of patching those, NI constantly releases new "content", has a huge marketing and Youtube-Channel that nobody wants to have and for Maschine like one hotfix every three month patching two minor issues.
- I come back to find out Presonus decided to go the same path, instead of listening to the users and housekeeping the App, just Marketing related features.

I can not understand that. Why? Are all these companies buying from the same Marketing Agency? Application Developers are cheaper than Marketing guys.


The Dev Team by and largely respond to the FR thread. A LOT of users wanted improved Impact and Sample One. The Got that. A LOT of users wanted AAF import and import Song data. They got that. Additionally, a LOT of users wanted some kind of Chord track. They got it.

If you are going to improve the GUI of Impact, the SOUND and functionality ought to improve as well. It did.
Are there features you wanted that did not get included? watch for the next 4.x update. It may have it.

As for "housekeeping" - How about faster plugin scanner that runs in the background during start up instead of halting start up to scan? How about GUI improvements (again, inline with FRs!)

I don't think for a second that 4.0 is the finished article, just like 3.0 was not. Between 3.0 and 4.0 well over 100 new features were added, all requested in the FR thread. All for Free.

The story here is clear: No DAW company can please all its users all of the time. But it CAN please some of them some of the time, while making general improvements all of the time. PreSonus is doing that. The evidence is unequivocal, in my opinion.


Features schmeatures.

I suffered from the bugs in v3 to such extent that I became an expert in pest control. I and my scurvy ship crew would've been happy with a mast or a few patches to the body, instead of new cannons. Yarrr, the disappointment... Maybe we'll reach the port without sinking... in the far future.

Got cockroaches? PreSonus taught me how to get rid of 'em. Thus, I have to love the guys.


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by TheTwangmeister on Wed May 23, 2018 7:58 am
Still lots of what I consider essential features for me are missing. I expect some will happen one day. Others won't. As it happens absolutely nothing I really wanted them to sort out happened on this occasion but as others have said look how much great stuff has happened since 3.0.

Remember when Windows 10 got updated to what Microsoft called The Creators Update? Well maybe this is Studio One's "Bedroom Beatmaker/Children's Update" :D Only kidding ;)

I have no doubt we can look forward to "Professionals Update" at 4.1 or soon thereafter.

I hope they sort out V4 killing your V3 install very soon. That, if deliberate, is not at all cool. I shall certainly be holding off upgrading until that safety net is restored.
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by johnbedggood on Wed May 23, 2018 8:03 am
jonnylipsham wroteNo DAW company can please all its users all of the time. But it CAN please some of them some of the time, while making general improvements all of the time. PreSonus is doing that. The evidence is unequivocal, in my opinion.


Well said!!!!!! Well Said!!!!!!!

:thumbup: :thumbup:

I might print that on a t-shirt!

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by bassfx on Wed May 23, 2018 8:07 am
Scoox wroteLooking through the most-voted FRs, I can see that that is true, in the sense that the new features are all existing feature requests, BUT the problem is that with the v4 update they have ignored FR vote count, so they have listened, but they have listened wrong:


Quick thoughts on this -- development obviously takes a lot of time for some features, and we don't know how much lead time the developers have to set their development roadmap plans for a development cycle, plus we don't know how much infrastructure development a particular feature might need. So while the FR vote count is CURRENTLY very high for certain features, what was the vote count at the time the developers had to commit resources to development? They probably have a roadmap that gets updated once perhaps every 6-12 months or frankly even longer. Maybe 18-24 months out for all we know. So current votes don't equal current release.
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by ericbiggins on Wed May 23, 2018 8:08 am
How can the chord track change tuning adapt to different tunings? I tuned down a half step and sometimes a whole step, but I want the actual chords names to show as if I'm tuned standard.
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by BrentJammer on Wed May 23, 2018 8:18 am
santeripilli wroteFeatures schmeatures.

I suffered from the bugs in v3 to such extent that I became an expert in pest control. I and my scurvy ship crew would've been happy with a mast or a few patches to the body, instead of new cannons. Yarrr, the disappointment... Maybe we'll reach the port without sinking... in the far future.


Again, this.

And no, I won't ever agree on the GUI being "improved" - it's worse, a lot. I didn't want to say that, but well.... it's aesthetically horrible and made finding important stuff harder. It was hard before, due to the many features S1 provides. It missed out on such significant things, often quoted here, like a Phase and Mono Button.

I got a Kick and a Bass. I want to Mono both. I don't want to use plugins for that. I'm hearing phase issues. I want to try toggling those phases, quickly, on the go in the Mixer.

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