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I wondered, we already have Apply Track Name to Channels but no
"Track Name to Instrument" or "Channel Name to Track". At the moment
there is no fast way to rename these two. Would be a great addition.

http://answers.presonus.com/21877/apply ... instrument
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by AriAhrendt on Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:10 am
This has a reason. according to you answersbase entry.

Imagine you have any multitimbral instrument, like Kontakt. You don't use Multi-Outputs. So you have only 1 mixer channel. But in the arrangement you have tracks like pizz strings, stacc strings, double bass. Now you change the mixer name of the Instrument and ALL your arrangement tracks would also change. You don't want this.

But if there is a 1to1 releationship between instrument track and a unique mixer channel then the name changing works in both directions.

It's the same with the Instrument rack. The instrument names you can read there are exactly the product names that S1 recieves from the VST products. If you wanna change that, you can do this. But you can not transfer all track names to this instrument list?

Tell me how should the "Kontakt" be renamed? a) stacc strings, b) pizz strings, or c) I love bacon?

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by _Stevie_ on Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:20 am
The "I love bacon" option is very tempting... ;)

Of course this workflow makes only sense, if you use one Instrument per MIDI one track.
That's exactly how Kontakt works best in terms of CPU distribution. That's why a lot of people use it that way.

In any case, this function would help tremendously in terms of quickly renaming.
Of course not everyone would have to use it, it's optional.
The users who won't need it, won't use the function.
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by AriAhrendt on Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:24 am
We heard score users and together we implemented the only usable way. And this is the last command in the right click menue of the track controls. Name transfer from tracks to channels. That makes sense. And that's why we did it.

I never would change the vst name in the instrument rack. This is the only way you can see, what product is behind a track or channel. I mean in a hardware studio that would mean that you rename (scrape the logo) your MS-20 and Jupiter 8 everytime with a new sticker of the currently used instrument type. Makes no sence to me. The Jupiter 8 always stays the Jupiter 8, doesn't matter if I play bass or string chords.

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by Lawrence on Thu Oct 26, 2017 2:51 pm
I gave this an up vote on Answers as with large VI projects I always rename my instrument instances so I know what they are in the tabs and the rack, and there's no really quick way to do it. I made the same FR in the past, before Answers.

Studio One is one of the few hosts that allow renaming plugins so + 1 from me.

I'm a patient guy so...no hurry. :) I recognize that there are far more important things to do.
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by _Stevie_ on Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:39 pm
The "only usable way"... Ari that decision sounds so final. And I'm still not sure what you mean by that. Only usable way for you guys, or the score guys? I don't think that can represent a whole user base and their needs. No one can think if everything. If that was the case, we would have the perfect DAW.

I never would change the vst name in the instrument rack.

I got that, but only because you don't need it, doesn't mean others don't.
Furthermore, the analogy with the Jupiter-8 does not work here. Kontakt is a sample player with many different soundsources and libraries. A Jupiter-8 will always be a Jupiter-8.

Let me give you an example for applying the track name to the instrument:

- you have over 100 Kontakt instances, the instances look like: Kontakt 5 1, Kontakt 5 2, etc...
- renaming all these instances manually will take way too much time
= a simple "Apply Track Name to Instrument" would solve this. And in the mixer, I know beforehand, at which Kontakt instance I'm looking. That's way more descriptive than Kontakt 5 1, Kontakt 5 2...

@Lawrence, thanks man, you seem to comprehend the issue, since you have the same workflow.
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by jazzundso on Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:23 pm
AriAhrendt wroteWe heard score users and together we implemented the only usable way. And this is the last command in the right click menue of the track controls. Name transfer from tracks to channels. That makes sense. And that's why we did it.

So you didn't complete it ;-) Because what Stevie said makes sense as well.

Ari, your statement is right in case of the multitimbral setting. But when I use exactly ONE Kontakt instance for ONE instrument on ONE track, the other way round (channel name -> track name) of course needs the same attention. And the trend is going towards monotimbral use, at least in the scoring business... as Stevie explained.

And I really have to agree... if you don't need this functionality because you don't use KONTAKT or don't do sample library productions, it doesn't mean others won't need it either...

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by Lawrence on Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:34 pm
Just vote up or down there, or not. The forum debates about FR's never get anything done.

If a thing gets a lot of votes, it gets a lot of votes and gets the developers attention. If not, you just have to accept reality, that most other users couldn't care less... and try to get over it. :)
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by Skaperverket on Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:35 am
Voted.

Makes perfect sense to me.
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by AriAhrendt on Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:49 am
I made a ticket for the instrument rack part of this request.
But I am not a fan of the other part: channel name to track name. That makes no sence. And I didn't get an answer what would happen to all 20 Tracks that are routed into one stereo output channel from kontakt. I will not support that.

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by _Stevie_ on Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:59 am
Let me try to explain what I tried to achieve the last days.

I completely abandoned the idea of having a huge template. Instead I'm trying to build a modular template with some basic tracks
and all the other instruments that I might need, are saved as track presets. So in case I need a certain instrument, I just drag it over.
There are several hurdles here:

- track presets can't store the assigned Bus
- track presets can't store Sends

Therefore I created dummy tracks for all my different instruments, that already contain Bus and Send information. If I need to drag over a new preset, I just duplicate the dummy track. Now the issue is, the name of the track preset is not applied to the dummy track. The name remains "Dummy Piano", "Dummy French Horn", etc… However, when you save a preset together with FX, the channel name in the mixer is saved and restored, too. So that's the only place where the track name is restored when you drag the preset to an existing(!) track. If you drag the preset to an empty space, the track name is of course restored as normal. So, that's the reason why I thought about "apply channel to track name". But having the ability to take over the stored track name of a preset to a track when dragging it, would be more convenient.
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by jazzundso on Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:16 am
AriAhrendt wroteBut I am not a fan of the other part: channel name to track name. That makes no sence. And I didn't get an answer what would happen to all 20 Tracks that are routed into one stereo output channel from kontakt.

Just the same as if you rename a channel manually!! It's the same logic, the command would only be a shortcut (and a batch possibility to do the same task for multiple channels at once).

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We have the 1:1 track channel dependencies since V3:

1.) If we have one track (KONTAKT) and one output channel, we can rename either of one and the counterpart gets renamed as well. Pretty easy.

2.) If we have one track and multiple outs, nothing gets renamed at the other side (by default).

3.) If we have as many multi outs as we have tracks, nothing happens here when renaming until we assign an output "channel" in the track inspector. Then we can rename channels/tracks together again.

That applies for manual renaming. For a new command "Apply channel name to track" the functionality would be the same... nothing new here.

So makes perfectly sense ;-)

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by nordicdunn on Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:14 am
Also upvoted this.

For me, when I browse old projects for an instrument I used before, that Id like to use again in my new poroject, it becomes impossible to know which instrument is what. Instead all I see is "Serum 1, Serum 2, Serum 3" etc. and so I end up have to import each one individually so I can see what patch is being used.

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by SwitchBack on Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:24 am
Maybe rather than renaming the solution could be a global option to show the track name on the instrument or the channel name on the track. That way you can flip between the two depending on what you want to see.
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by The Wombat Project on Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:38 pm
nordicdunn wroteAlso upvoted this.

For me, when I browse old projects for an instrument I used before, that Id like to use again in my new poroject, it becomes impossible to know which instrument is what. Instead all I see is "Serum 1, Serum 2, Serum 3" etc. and so I end up have to import each one individually so I can see what patch is being used.

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by Jemusic on Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:16 pm
Its not hard to find what instance of any instrument is feeding what track. I am currently working on a project that has 13 instances of Kontakt installed. Many of them up to 6 multitimbral parts each. In this case renaming the instrument would not be helpful.

So if you were browsing an old project and the Instruments weren't named then it is easy to find out what sounds they are triggering.

If you open the console and click on Instruments it shows them all listed there. For me its Kontakt, then Kontakt 2 etc right up to Kontakt 12. To find out, select one and then go over to the little downward pointing triangle on the right and click on Expand. It will show you there what tracks they are feeding and the title of the track.

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by nickfield on Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:56 am
Instrument names are stored with instrument presets. If you create everything “on the fly” then there is no way around it. Instruments will need to be renamed separately but if you use templates then the instrument names can be stored with their preset and then the track, channel and instruments can all be created with corresponding names using a single macro.
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by craigallen2 on Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:53 am
jazzundso wrote
AriAhrendt wroteBut I am not a fan of the other part: channel name to track name. That makes no sence. And I didn't get an answer what would happen to all 20 Tracks that are routed into one stereo output channel from kontakt.

Just the same as if you rename a channel manually!! It's the same logic, the command would only be a shortcut (and a batch possibility to do the same task for multiple channels at once).

===

We have the 1:1 track channel dependencies since V3:

1.) If we have one track (KONTAKT) and one output channel, we can rename either of one and the counterpart gets renamed as well. Pretty easy.

2.) If we have one track and multiple outs, nothing gets renamed at the other side (by default).

3.) If we have as many multi outs as we have tracks, nothing happens here when renaming until we assign an output "channel" in the track inspector. Then we can rename channels/tracks together again.

That applies for manual renaming. For a new command "Apply channel name to track" the functionality would be the same... nothing new here.

So makes perfectly sense ;-)


YES Please!
As a newbie, this lack of 1-1 correspondence for single instrument tracks and channels seems bonkers!
Lukas' solution here is perfect!

(And it should still include Stevie's stated purpose of also having saved Track Presets rename the tracks and channels accordingly. (Ideally by default, but at least as a setting option).
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by craigallen2 on Sun Feb 13, 2022 2:57 am
nickfield wroteInstrument names are stored with instrument presets. If you create everything “on the fly” then there is no way around it. Instruments will need to be renamed separately but if you use templates then the instrument names can be stored with their preset and then the track, channel and instruments can all be created with corresponding names using a single macro.


Thanks for the Macro idea!

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