That's horrible to hear. I use autopunch and preroll all the time in 2.5.

How did you get 2.6? Did it upgrade automatically? I don't want this to happen to me. I also don't want to keep having to re-learn the software.

Maybe I'm not understanding.

I think the value of both working together (2.5) is you know exactly how many measures before the punch in starts. If you had both turned on at once, you have X measures of preroll before the punch-in starts.

In 2.6, after setting the punch-in region (I believe they call that the loop region, but I'm not sure), you manually set the playhead where you want it to start, and it pre-rolls from there when you press "Record".

You haven't lost the ability to do the pre-roll when you Auto Punch, but in some ways you have more flexibility.

No matter your setting for PreRoll, on a punch-in you can start 1 measure before, or 20 (or anyplace in between,) and it ignores what you have set for the Pre-roll BUT starts pre-rolling from the playhead.

In other words: You set the starting listening point, it rolls to your loop region while playing back, then punches in/out as expected.

One minor additional step (set playhead to your starting point), but more flexibility.

Sometimes I wish PreRoll allowed us to set the starting listening point too but I understand that would mean doing something else to set the recording start point, maybe a control click or shift click on the time line and then recording starting at the current playhead position.

For me the current system works very well. YMMV.

Again, since I didn't use it in 2.5, I might not understand your situation.

johnsaxon wroteThat's horrible to hear. I use autopunch and preroll all the time in 2.5.

How did you get 2.6? Did it upgrade automatically? I don't want this to happen to me. I also don't want to keep having to re-learn the software.

You have to upgrade manually, I don't know how to do it in 2.5 since I didn't have that version.

2.6 has plenty of refinements when I read the specs, but you decide if they make sense for you.

Even the incremental updates (I just updated to the 2.6.3...) required me to start the process (as it should...) so no worries on your part.

You upgrade if you think it's worth it.

Here's the official PreSonus video for reference:


Here's a third party review of 2.5 vs. 2.6:
http://www.recordingreview.com/blog/new ... -6-review/

johnsaxon wroteThat's horrible to hear. I use autopunch and preroll all the time in 2.5.
I also don't want to keep having to re-learn the software.

John, if you slow down and really take the time to learn the software you'll find that you can easily do all of that stuff and more. Not only can you design your own auto-punch with actions but there are individual actions for punch in and punch out and you can also "pre-roll" with actions, "Rewind Bars("#").

Below is me hitting P on my keyboard to pre-roll one bar and auto-punch the loop range. The pre-roll and punch buttons buttons on the transport are irrelevant, I just hit P.

Hope that helps.

Thanks everyone for all of your responses. My apology if my first post wasn't clear on how I was using this feature. So, I was using auto punch and preroll together as follows:

Set range to punch in and out
Engage both auto punch and preroll
Press "1" on keyboard to locate to beginning of range
Hit "record" and S1 would preroll "X" number of bars before recording started and stopped recording at "out" location. This was a very efficient workflow.

Now I can only have one or the other engaged, so preroll works but doesn't recognize the punch out location and auto punch in/out works, but I can't get it to preroll unless I set the location manually with the mouse. Another option is to set a marker prior to the "in" location and use "Shift+B" to "Go To Previous Marker" so it's a few more steps now, but it can work.

Macro: (see the gif I posted above)

1. Autopunch ("1")
2. Goto Loop Start
3. Rewind Bars ("X")
4. Transport Record ("1")

Bind it to a key. Whenever you want to do that just hit whatever key you bind that to. It's really that easy, easier than clicking two tiny icons on the UI and then clicking the record button.

One other benefit of doing it that way is that you can have more than just one pre-roll setting immediately accessible, like P might be a 2 bar pre-roll and ALT+P could do the same thing but with a 4 bar pre-roll.

Hope that helps.

Awesome! Thank you very much for the macro, I really appreciate it!

Hi
I know this is probably a silly question but can someone please explain to me the difference between preroll and precount?
Thanks
Michael

michaellamm wroteHi
I know this is probably a silly question but can someone please explain to me the difference between preroll and precount?
Thanks
Michael

No questions are silly. Clarity is always helpful.

Preroll:
Starts playback of your audio X bars before your starting point.

Precount:
Plays a click track for X bars before your starting point. (You can decide the type of click in the metronome setup.)

In both cases the metronome and the audio stops playing on your recording track(s) at your start point.

If anything is unclear, fire away.

One more thing. A bit after this original discussion I posted a couple videos on Punch & Roll for VO and narrators, but many of the principles also apply to recording music.

They may give you additional insights (or not, depending on your experience level.)

Hi
Thanks for both posts. You've saved me some time. Just wondering about using Precount or Preroll for loop recording. Is it possible to have a Preroll or Precount at the start of each loop. If not, it means that when you get to the end of the loop you don't have any time to get ready for playing the audio for the next loop if you get my drift.
Thanks
Michael

michaellamm wroteHi
Thanks for both posts. You've saved me some time. Just wondering about using Precount or Preroll for loop recording. Is it possible to have a Preroll or Precount at the start of each loop. If not, it means that when you get to the end of the loop you don't have any time to get ready for playing the audio for the next loop if you get my drift.
Thanks
Michael

If you want to record over a loop, the easiest thing to engage the "Auto Punch" and highlight your loop range. (Right under the "Preroll" icon and there are shortcut keys for all these different options.)

When Auto Punch is engaged, you can manually set the starting point anyplace before the loop range, and S1 will start at your playhead, Preroll from there and then start recording when it hits your loop range.

It's really easy, but harder to type out the instructions. This gives you a chance to roll into each range you want to loop.

Also, check out the 3rd video I recorded with tips, since some of them may be helpful for what you're doing. (Setting the Pre-record gives you additional flexibility when doing pickups...)



Again: not targeted toward musicians, but the tips would apply to all.

Thanks. Thats great.

Another quick question. If I set a 5 second Prerecord in Options as you demonstrate, will the recording still start at my punch in point or 5 seconds before it?

Michael

michaellamm wroteAnother quick question. If I set a 5 second Prerecord in Options as you demonstrate, will the recording still start at my punch in point or 5 seconds before it?

Michael

It "starts" officially at your punch point, but you can "peel back" up to 5 seconds if you wish... If you played a pickup into your loop, it would be available if you ever want it...

Ok. You've been a great help. Thats a great tool. Thanks.
Michael

donaldbaarns wrote

michaellamm wroteHi
Thanks for both posts. You've saved me some time. Just wondering about using Precount or Preroll for loop recording. Is it possible to have a Preroll or Precount at the start of each loop. If not, it means that when you get to the end of the loop you don't have any time to get ready for playing the audio for the next loop if you get my drift.
Thanks
Michael

If you want to record over a loop, the easiest thing to engage the "Auto Punch" and highlight your loop range. (Right under the "Preroll" icon and there are shortcut keys for all these different options.)

When Auto Punch is engaged, you can manually set the starting point anyplace before the loop range, and S1 will start at your playhead, Preroll from there and then start recording when it hits your loop range.

It's really easy, but harder to type out the instructions. This gives you a chance to roll into each range you want to loop.

Also, check out the 3rd video I recorded with tips, since some of them may be helpful for what you're doing. (Setting the Pre-record gives you additional flexibility when doing pickups...)

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Again: not targeted toward musicians, but the tips would apply to all.

My problem with this is that it makes the loop pointless. Unless you have perfect timing, when you stop recording you will have either a new useless take (if you hit stop after the punch out point), or you will have a gap if you stop before the punch out point. If you could loop with preroll then you could stop the recording during that preroll and all your takes would be clean.

Also, If you are recording multiple takes with loop active you still have the problem alluded to earlier where you can't time the punch correctly. You can only set the preroll with your cursor manually once because when the loop is done it starts immediately at the loop beginning right?

You might as well not set the loop and just hit a few keys to start the normal auto-punch with the cursor set preroll again. But, then you can't record takes right? Only layers? As it is, I would like to work with takes, but I don't have any practical use for loop recording as it's actually a hinderance for me.

morgandemling wrote<snip>

My problem with this is that it makes the loop pointless. Unless you have perfect timing, when you stop recording you will have either a new useless take (if you hit stop after the punch out point), or you will have a gap if you stop before the punch out point. If you could loop with preroll then you could stop the recording during that preroll and all your takes would be clean.

Also, If you are recording multiple takes with loop active you still have the problem alluded to earlier where you can't time the punch correctly. You can only set the preroll with your cursor manually once because when the loop is done it starts immediately at the loop beginning right?

You might as well not set the loop and just hit a few keys to start the normal auto-punch with the cursor set preroll again. But, then you can't record takes right? Only layers? As it is, I would like to work with takes, but I don't have any practical use for loop recording as it's actually a hinderance for me.

Nothing is perfect for everybody, but S1 makes it easy to get it right. You can have each loop record to another layer easily and you can record/compare multiple versions.

My gut says what you want to do is easy, but not obvious.

If you are just doing a single take and don't stop early enough, you can "peel back" the audio at the end, because by default S1 is not overwriting existing audio, it's putting the new recording on top.

In other words, if your start or end timing is off on a single take, you can easily adjust both ends of the recording.

S1 has way too many options to go over them all, but you may want to check out the video clips below to START understanding some of the options. Check out the "Record to Layers" option and there are other videos on this concept as well, these two will simply get you started.