We are considering purchasing an RM16AI or 32 for an upcoming tour. We have a question before we do. We like the idea of recording our performances in 'capture'. We were wondering about the AVB interface though. We currently run all our synths from Ableton on a mac through a Motu firewire interface and usually run about 6 dedicated analog outputs to FOH. Could we either upgrade to a MOTU AVB interface and connect to the RM16AI via AVB, or Could we use the same computer the MOTU firewire interface is connected to, somehow run 'capture' alongside Ableton, and pipe those 6 tracks(from ableton) directly into the RM16AI(and 'capture') to mix(and record) them with our 'live' mics?
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Dante may be more to your liking for this application. With Dante, they are also working on a solution that would run on the computer (Dante Via), that turns the PC and anything attached to it into a Dante Device. That would mean that you could pipe in the Ableton tracks using the digital inputs, keeping the analog inputs reserved for analog.
You would need to run a separate pc for recording, but I would think that is a good idea. Too many eggs in one basket kind of thing. |
If you used studio 1 to host your synths instead of ableton you could simply route all the synth outputs to digital inputs on an RM32 while recording them directly in Studio1, AND record the analogue inputs from the RM32 in Studio1 (not capture) at the same time...
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I'm not sure about AVB but there is a risk that the latency from DVS could be an issue. Expect a latency around 8-10mS.
Dante VIA has a slightly more latency than DVS according to the VIA specs. Using a hardware dante card the latency will be greatly reduced. I'm not sure about the RM, but if it works anything like the studiolive the digital returns can't be recorded as it will access and tap the local preamps. I'm not sure if a dante card will help in this case either due to the recording tap point but there is perhaps more options available with the RM.
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I'm not sure about the RM, but if it works anything like the studiolive the digital returns can't be recorded as it will access and tap the local preamps. I'm not sure if a dante card will help in this case either due to the recording tap point but there is perhaps more options available with the RM. The RM's do act differently. Selecting digital as the source bypasses the preamps. On the RM 16, you have 16 digital only channels. Its pretty cool for applications like this. On the RM 32 you would sacrifice the ability to use the analog ins per channel if digital source is selected. |
matthewgorman wroteI'm not sure about the RM, but if it works anything like the studiolive the digital returns can't be recorded as it will access and tap the local preamps. I'm not sure if a dante card will help in this case either due to the recording tap point but there is perhaps more options available with the RM. On the studiolive it was not possible to record the digital inputs, e.g. if you wanted to use the FAT to re-record your tracks from your daw. Your option was only to record the analog inputs. This made it possible to use a daw/vst-host to insert channel processing into each channel strip by enabling the digital input, while the analog input was feeding the daw. Are you saying that the RM doesn't have this restriction and/or that insert processing isn't possible any longer?
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You should be able to use any daw for recording.
I assume you already have studioone since it came with your rm.
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I'm also a bit interested in this thread as it covers some of the things I would like to be able to do, all be it at a simpler level. I think some of my questions are similar though.
I'm looking at the RM16 and currently use 'Live' and a 'Babyface'. If I understand this correctly the RM16 will give me 16 mic pres and 16 digital inputs (via firewire) for a total of 32 tracks in 'Surface'. The only difference being that with the RM32 I would loose one mic pre for every digital input I select. Am I right so far? Also I think the version of 'StudioOne' that comes with the RM needs a $400 upgrade to host VSTs and run in 64 bit mode. Kind of required I think. I'm thinking running 'Live' and VSTs and 'Surface' and 'Capture' all on the one laptop would be a bit of a big ask no matter how good the laptop. Would it work running VSTs in 'StudioOne' plus 'Surface' and recording everything in 'StudioOne'? Or for that matter could I just use 'Live', sending audio from the midi channels to the RM and recording the mic channels from the RM in audio channels in Live? Probably the simplest thing for me if it would work, not to mention the cheapest. Would there be any advantage in using 'StudioOne' at all, other than the transfer of track names from RM? I would still have to name tracks from 'Live' wouldn't I? BTW: Macbook 2.6 GHZ I7 16gig ram |
stephenbish wroteI'm also a bit interested in this thread as it covers some of the things I would like to be able to do, all be it at a simpler level. I think some of my questions are similar though. You were correct up until the reference to S1 Artist. You can upgrade to Pro (less than $400), or you can purchase the VST add on for artist for $79.99. You are going to run into a problem trying to run live and either capture or Studio one. You can only sync the RM to one computer, and only one daw on that computer. If you want to run backing tracks, then rule out capture. Use either S1 or Live. Not sure of the capabilities of Live, but in S1 you can run the backing tracks while recording. Start researching Dante and AVB. Dante, for example, will enable you to have a second computer on the network to run backing tracks. And with Dante Via software, it will create a dante enabled device out of the second PC and sound card. I have not seen enough on AVB to know if the same thing will be possible with AVB. |
Thanks Matt
Actually the cross-grade price is $419.99 Australian. I looked but could not find the VST option you mention but I assume the price you mention is $US. Without 64 bit this would not interest me though. I think if I go ahead with the purchase I will see what I can do with Ableton Live first off, then try the demo of S1. I was not suggesting running 'Live' and either 'Capture' or 'Studio One'. I was interested in the possibility of running 'Live' and 'Surface' on my Macbook, thus enabling me to use NI Komplete, Keyboard and software within live, the resulting Audio going live to RM16 and the Mic inputs from the RM16 recorded to audio channels in 'Live' at the same time. A little side track here but could I use the 'Komplete Kontrol' software in stand alone mode and capture audio in surface? I would envisage most mixer setup being done pre-show, with 'Surface' on an IPad for hands on control while playing. We are a 4 piece classic rock band with no sound man. Mixing not a big requirement while playing. Also just one general foldback send for which I would imagine using the mono output. While I am aware that this is total overkill as hardware for my immediate requirements I like the idea of as much future proofing as I can afford. Here I refer to things like in ear monitors and wireless mics etc. On that point I like the idea of the back Aux outputs for rack mounting in ear sends but is there any way to do that with wireless receivers? Another thought, given I am likely to have some spare XLR in's. Maybe I could run the NI software ( in 'Live') and controllers on a separate computer and run the 'Babyface' into 2 XLRs. That way I could run both Surface and Capture on another laptop. Does that make sense? Once again thanks for your help and for this forum. It is nice to be able to find out as much as possible about a piece of gear before investing in it. My interest was sparked by some pretty heavy discounts here in Aust. as a result of the import company changing. All in all the chance of getting a 32 channel mixer with 16 mic pres and software control, along with a full DAW for less than $2000 local currency is outstanding value and a chance not to be dismissed lightly. Even though it is way beyond my current needs it is very attractive. My biggest concern is that it is going to make me want to spend a whole heap more on my PA. Cheers Steve. |
Artist is a 64bit daw as it relates to your os and accessing more ram. The 64 bit reference as exclusive to pro is regarding process precision in the background.
You first example to run live would work, as would your second example of running a second computer and the babyface. For reference to the Artist add on for vst support, there is a link to the store at the top of all forum pages. Look for add ons in the software store. |
I also purchased one of the RM32Ai last week. The 96k full 32 with no synch issues is the reason I sold all my FireStudio Project interfaces. The new RM's have the choice BurrBrown ops in them too. The circuitry of the XAMP preamps have been tweaked for recall and great sound. I sold my Allen Heath QU32 for the RM32ai and now....I'm totally all Presonus now in the mixing and DA side. I still use Cubase 8.5 pro...but also evaluating Studio One 3. Who knows....my studio (www.soundhammerstudio.com) may be an all Presonus shop soon Thank you for a great product, its incredible.
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