I have a sound effect clip that I'd like to loop (repeat). However, when I duplicate the clip (D), Studio One inserts the copy at the start of the next measure.
That's ok because I don't mind moving it. But I don't seem to be able to move it so it is perfectly adjacent to the previous sound clip. If I turn of snap, then I can move it anywhere but it's hard to ensure I get it to start exactly at the end of the previous clip. Does Studio One have a feature that allows me to move a clip so that it snaps to the end of the previous clip. |
Works as described in the manual. Turn snapping off.
6.4.5 Duplicate |
Also, please be aware too, that the clip in relation to the Song's Tempo will have a direct affect (just as any other DAW). Make sure your source "Sound FX clip" itself is edited to fall evenly in the song's tempo, if you want the [D]uplicate feature to allow for constant "append copies" to create an extended "loop" of the original clip.
If the source audio clip itself isn't edited (the start and end boundaries, that is) to fall into the Tempo framework (or "grid"), it won't fall "perfectly adjacent to the end of the previous clip. Alternately, for cases where the original audio clip's Tempo is a known element... some people will set the Song Tempo to that value, such that the audio clip is now the reference tempo to the overall grid. If there's no discernable tempo in the audio clip (like a one shot sound event... maybe a whistle, spoken word phrase, synth bleep, etc.), you may be better off loading the audio sample along with other audio samples into a software instrument such as Impact and then manually creating a new loop event altogether to the Song Tempo click via MIDI-note event trigger of that sample. "Beatmakers" do this all the time, whether they pencil in MIDI note events or perform the triggering using a MIDI controller. Instead of letting the audio clip just be a static .WAV clip in the timeline of the Song, they'll re-perform the event within Impact or any sample-playback software instrument to create a whole new audio event altogether. Some creative food for thought... |
PreSonuSales1 wroteAlso, please be aware too, that the clip in relation to the Song's Tempo will have a direct affect (just as any other DAW). Make sure your source "Sound FX clip" itself is edited to fall evenly in the song's tempo, if you want the [D]uplicate feature to allow for constant "append copies" to create an extended "loop" of the original clip. The clip must run at it's original tempo and at it's original length. Are you saying this isn't supported? And I want it to loop several times in direct succession. (No gaps.) Are you saying this isn't supported? Not sure I understand why this has to be so hard. |
jonathanwood4 wroteNot sure I understand why this has to be so hard.Maybe because it is a rather illogical operation? It would be a special clip indeed to have a length exactly in sync with the song tempo and with head and tail connecting without transients. Any crossfades would affect the tempo of repetition too. Still, to do what you want to do you can take the exact length of the clip, calculate the exact tempo head to tail copy/paste would result in, and set the song tempo accordingly. Then do the 'D' thing. |
SwitchBack wroteIt would be a special clip indeed to have a length exactly in sync with the song tempo and with head and tail connecting without transients. Any crossfades would affect the tempo of repetition too. I have made no statements about the length of the clips or what they are in sync with. Only that I do not want either of these characteristics to change. Am I living on another planet or something? It is non musical. This is a sound effect. I want to loop it so it last longer. And I don't want to alter the sound, length, or timing of the sound. SwitchBack wroteStill, to do what you want to do you can take the exact length of the clip, calculate the exact tempo head to tail copy/paste would result in, and set the song tempo accordingly. Then do the 'D' thing. I guess I need to find a detailed explanation of how the software works with clips and tempos as absolutely none of this makes any sense to me. |
Maybe if you could start over and describe in detail exactly what you hope to achieve. Maybe we're not all on the same page.
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mwright137 wroteMaybe if you could start over and describe in detail exactly what you hope to achieve. Maybe we're not all on the same page. I have a WAV file. I'd like to loop this file in one of my songs (let's say 10 times). I do not want any gaps between each loop, and I do not want to alter the sound of the file in any way. The file's length has no correlation with the length of a measure in my song. The file is a sound effect and has no meaningful tempo. That's all I want. I'm able to duplicate the sound, and then drag the new copy left over the gap. But there is no "snap" to place the new copy exactly at the end of the previous copy. Why isn't the timeline smart enough to help me prevent overlapping clips? |
The first reply from me suggested that turning snap off here and hitting D does exactly that. As you can see below, the duplicates (with snap off) go to the end of the duplicated clip.
Did you try it? With snapping turned on they duplicate to logical musical intervals, which is what you're probably seeing... |
Lawrence wroteThe first reply from me suggested that turning snap off here and hitting D does exactly that. Did you try it? Ok, sorry. You are right. If I turn off snap, hitting D does place the copy at the end of the current clip. Previously, I had turned snap off after duplicating. Sorry for missing that point. That's great to know, and very helpful to me, thanks. (It doesn't rely on messing with stuff like tempo.) But my actual situation is a little more complex. I'm actually appending this to another sound effect. So I still have a situation where I need to do this manually. Is there no way to have the timeline assist me in placing one random clip exactly at the end of another? |
Is there no way to have the timeline assist me in placing one random clip exactly at the end of another? I have no idea what you mean. D does that already, places one clip exactly at the end of another. If you want to do that with another different clip, duplicate clip A and have it land at the end of clip B somewhere else, use "Locate Selection End" on clip B before pasting. Maybe you can show us in an animated gif how you did this before in whatever software you used before so we can understand what you're talking about. Thanks. |
Lawrence wroteIs there no way to have the timeline assist me in placing one random clip exactly at the end of another? Not quite. D makes a copy of the current clip and places the copy at the end of the current clip. I can still use D to make my loop. But I also have the need to place one random clip (the first clip of my loop) at the end of another random clip. They are not the same clip, and so D is of no value for that particular task. I haven't done this in any software. However, when using software like my Sony video editing software, whenever I drag any video clip near the end of another clip, there a small "snag" right at the end of the other clip that makes it a breeze to position one clip directly after another. If anyone is really interested in what I'm doing, I'm creating the sound of a scratchy record on the start of my song. I have two clips. One is the sound of the needle being placed on the record, and the other is a loopable portion of the scratchy sound. I want to add the first clip to the start of my song (done), and then I want to loop the second clip starting exactly at the end of the first clip. I don't know if I explained things that poorly or it's just because I missed Lawrence's earlier point. But it seems like this would've been simple enough that I'd have been able to figure it out on my own.
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Lawrence wroteYes you can make that happen, but not with Studio One Free. Install the Studio One Pro demo and come back and I'll make you a macro for that. First off, I very much appreciate your help. And you have been helpful. But my second point is that I am just trying the software. If it does what I need, I'll purchase the Professional Edition. If someone would answer something like "Yeah, just use this feature, but it's not in the Free Edition", I'd be absolutely thrilled. I would confirm the feature and then just hold off until I make that purchase. I am a little surprised; however, that this isn't a basic function. Seems a very natural behavior to me. Thanks. |
If you're trying it out, try the Demo, not the Free version. The Demo is more full-featured.
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mwright137 wroteIf you're trying it out, try the Demo, not the Free version. The Demo is more full-featured. Guess that's what I'll need to do. I just purchased an interface, and am buying another high-end Microphone (and am paying off a big truck that is less than a year old) and was going to wait until I'm a little closer to being ready to make the purchase. I also just got through a huge project to see if I could transfer my songs from my Roland VS-2000CD correctly and get the timing right (I found a way). So, I'll probably switch to the demo version in the near future. |
Ok. You get 30 days if that helps planning the demo.
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in Vegas...whenever I drag any video clip near the end of another clip, there a small "snag" right at the end of the other clip that makes it a breeze to position one clip directly after another. Yes, Vegas snaps to events across tracks and there is a big blue line that let's you know when it's snapping to something. Studio One does the same thing when you turn on Snap To Events, it just doesn't show the big blue line like Vegas. You'll see the clip below magnetically snap to the end of the clip two tracks above it. 6.1.1 Tool and Event Snapping Hope that helps. |
Lawrence wroteStudio One does the same thing when you turn on Snap To Events, it just doesn't show the big blue line like Vegas. That appears to be the piece I was missing! What I was expecting to be default behavior was just a setting that is off by default. With this setting on, it takes only a second to place one clip immediately after another clip. I could quickly and easily use this method to remove gaps in my loop as well (although I don't have to because D works as I want with snap turned off). It was a long route, but got exactly what I needed. Thanks again for all your help. |
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