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kidboy500
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Is there anyway to record using capture or pro tools 9 a live show post fader, so I actually record the actual mix? If so how?

what I'm really trying to do is record the actual mix so i can sell it after a show.

Thanks in advance!

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TheLols.ie
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Would that not be as simple as recording the Left Right Outputs?
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I don't think so because I would want to record the reverbs and compression settings as well?
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kidboy500 wrote:I don't think so because I would want to record the reverbs and compression settings as well?


TheLols.ie wrote:Would that not be as simple as recording the Left Right Outputs?



recording the main outs in capture records whatever goes to your speakers live

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Recording only what comes out of mains seldom does sound decent unless whole band does it´s act on electronic instruments.

Exceptions are shows with 1000% backtrack and/or HipHop "live" acts
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Might I recommend a blend of the main outs which have everything that is in the entire mix and the audio from at least a pair of audience mics.

I do it all the time and it sounds very close to the real thing.
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I may even bounce it to an Aux (say....5-6) instead of the main outs. You can route the auxes to take the compression and EQ settings. reason for this is a small room, which may affect your main out mix (drums, for example) unless you're already unbelievably loud. of course, if that were the case, I doubt anyone would want to buy a CD from you.

the downside to this idea is, unless you're only the "soundman", mixing a second "alternative" mix from stage (for the recording) would be near impossible during the show. you'd have to have a really good mix from the beginning and just "tweak" it during the show.
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I´ve done this sort of "live" recordings and had to route all available auxes & groups + mains to separate mixer and record the act from it. Don´t want to do it never ever again.
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what you guys are all missing is the Post Dig Out button on the fat channel.

engage that button (near the HPF) and it records each channel just like normal, but it takes the post-fat channel signal.
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Not disagreeing with you Dave, but a method like that won't sound live.
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who said it needed to sound live?

and why not just throw up an audience mic into one of the channels, if thats the desired sound?
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That's usually what I do. I try to avoid recording post just because it temds to overload too often.
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Monolithent wrote:Not disagreeing with you Dave, but a method like that won't sound live.

The digi out button is the solution. Actual it does sound live without additional room mics. I've recorded numorous live acts with great results. My clients all want a great recording during the performance with the audience chatter between songs not during. Using markers, cross fades and some editing makes it a simple task.
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My apologies especially to rockstardave. I usually try to avoid giving answers with no grey area (won't sound live, etc.). So if I ruffled any feathers I truly do apologize.

I was never really happy with the digi out when I tried it but that was a while ago. I will give it another look now that I'm much more fluent with the board.
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My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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If you don't want to burn a channel on an audience mic, just use the talkback mic preamp and route it in capture to a separate track. Sure stereo mics will give you a more 'realistic' room sound. But if you are just looking for a little ambience and applause in between songs, the TB works great and doesn't eat up any of your channels.
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