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martinbass7750
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I've just swapped my 16.0.2 for a 16.4.2. Very pleased with the 16.0.2 but decided I needed 16 separate channels.
Also pleased with the 16.4.2. Took me a while to get used to the different layout, but I find it easier to use live than the 16.0.2

I'm setting up sub groups and need a bit of advice.

I've used sub1 and sub2 for drum left and right.
I've used sub4 for Foh fx

I've seen folk on here talking about using one sub for bass bin output.

If I route channels that need bass to sub3 (eg kick and bass), how do I hook that to my bass bin?

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All subs have their own output on the back of the 16.4.2. Just take (in your case) sub 3 and run it to your subwoofer(s).
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Personally I prefer an Aux for sub duty (that's why they call it Aux fed subs ) You have individual control of the level of each instrument. input unlike using submasters...
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gadget69 wrote:Personally I prefer an Aux for sub duty (that's why they call it Aux fed subs ) You have individual control of the level of each instrument. input unlike using submasters...


Care to elobrate more about using the aux fed sub method.
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twostone wrote:
gadget69 wrote:Personally I prefer an Aux for sub duty (that's why they call it Aux fed subs ) You have individual control of the level of each instrument. input unlike using submasters...


Care to elobrate more about using the aux fed sub method.

Using the subgroup on the SL's as an subwoofer output you lack the control to seperatly control the balance between the different sub-instruments since they are fader dependent.

Using the aux insted let you set the balance of each sub-instrument, thus guving you a bit more control.

On bigger digital mixers the subgroups behaves more like the SL auxes (configurable for different purposes).
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I'm with gadget on aux-fed subs. I was just answering your question assuming you had your auxes full. Assumption is the mother of all mistakes.

The ability to get a separate MIX going to your subs is one step better than just picking the instruments you want...
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cool - aux fed subs it is - many thanks for the answers.
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The thing about aux fed subs is you can control the low frequency content of the mix FAR better, Imagine all the open mics and the vibrations of the LF in the room. All these mics are picking up the vibrations as well as the LF energy. If you ONLY put those sources that actually HAVE sub low content, like Bass, Keys, Kick, floor tom..etc you will cut down on the unnecessary LF in the mix.

You won't believe how much that can clean up a mix, in and of itself.
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What is important when you use aux/sub feed subs is that the sub level rides with the main fader.

If you don't pay attention you may get audioable issues around the crossover frequency due to missmatch in the levels.
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Ok, so how do I make the bass bin level ride with the main out?
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Post fader aux sends...
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Ahh ok, I thought you meant the main out fader rather than the channel fader. Thank you.

It's a shame u can't route the aux through one of the sub groups, that would make adjusting the overall bass bin level a bit easier.

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martinbass7750 wrote:It's a shame u can't route the aux through one of the sub groups, that would make adjusting the overall bass bin level a bit easier.


You could take a trs to trs cable and go from the aux out into the line input of an open channel (if you have one), route that channel to SUB3, then use the output for sub 3 to send to your bass bins. The problem is, that uses up an AUX, a Channel, and a SUB, ouch, but totally do-able.

Personally I prefer using an active crossover (with Low Sum on) after the main outs though
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Good suggestion, but that does indeed use a few resources!

My top cabs have xovers built in, but the only way to adjust the bass level is direcly on the active sub.

So I'll try aux sub at the next gig.

Thanks for all the suggestions.
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I started using Aux fed subs on about my third gig with the new board. I had just also purchased my QSC K series system and was running the subs off the mains letting the built in crossover do it's job. The low frequency's started getting out of control quickly when the volume rose.

I set up an aux and sent just kick & bass to it.... it was an amazing difference. I recommend it!!

Once my main level is set, i don't change the main fader often, so I just set the Aux to be post fader, and can still ride the Kick and Bass faders to add more lows as needed. I think this gives me the best control.

Setting the Low pass filter on each fat channel appropriately helps a lot too and be sure to add the break music channel to the sub some as well.

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