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DJIceman97
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I'm trying to decide between the two. I run a small sound company and plan on doing some home recording with friends, as well as recording all shows live. I seem to have lost my copy of Studio One Artist and, unfortunately, Presonus seems unable to help me recover my key. I don't plan on doing anything too fancy or professional, just some fun recording and basic mix downs. Will I be alright with Artist versus Pro? What are the key differences that warrant Pro being 3x the price?
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Here is the complete list of differencies between versions:

http://studioone.presonus.com/what-are-the-versions/

For me no VST support is the main reason to upgrade to atleast producer. I really like native products, but sometimes
you just might need some extra.

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I just wanted to get this off my chest.

I think disabling VST, AU, & Rewire support on the Artist version doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm an artist, all I want to do is write songs, capture song ideas, & communicate those ideas. My DAW should be nothing more than a scratch pad. But I should be able to use any instrument I want.

Nothing against the fine instruments included in StudioOne, but if my instrument of choice is NI's Kontakt or FM8 or Monark..... why shouldn't I be able to play them? Those are the instruments that spark my creativity. Those are the instruments I want to work with.

Or, if I'm one of those guys who use MPC Studio, how would I get my ideas from there to StudioOne?

Or if I'm a guitar player & I use GuitarRig.... sure studio one may have an comparable product..... but I want to use "my amp"

I've got Artist & these things limit me. I'm considering upgrading to Producer, but I'm not going to be using features like buses, sends., automation, I won't ever use half the effects, most likely won't use many of them at all..... I have no desire to mix or edit.

All I want to do is put together a basic demo that I can play for other artist where everyone can get a basic idea of where I'm at & we can all figure out where to go from there...... basically a rough demo.

Now, there are other options out there. Magix Music Studio. Full VST support, limited routing & effects. Just saying.
fullrange0rg
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Just what I think too !!

It's a shame not to include vst / vsti in Studio One Artist. I have to agree and want to shout out loud thats time to change the policy.
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Jumping in again.

I can understand track limits...... 16 is more than I need. But other "lite" versions allow 32 (PTLE 7.4) or 48(Cubase Artist, Samplitude Music Studio)

I can understand audio input & output limits... again, an artist really shouldn't need more than 2 (recording a stereo mix off a mixer) but these other apps I've seen allow up to 8 inputs, 2 stereo outs.

Samplitude Music Studio limits you to two sends..... I don't need either. Two insert effects. I would say two plus EQ, there should be an EQ on every channel & two insert effects.

I don't have a lot of deal breakers, I can work around just about anything. But not being able to use the instruments I want to use, that's a deal breaker.
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Nah, I disagree.

Artist is included with all of their interfaces, it's designed to be a scratch-pad, which it succeeds at admirably. And Producer is the comparatively priced "lite" version. The pricing is completely in line with the competitors. The difference is that Studio One Free is just that, completely free, while Artist is the intro version, Producer is lite and Pro is the full version.

Those that want unfettered VST support in Artist are asking Presonus to take a loss to satisfy them...this isn't good business, and would make little sense. You simply buy the product that allows you to achieve your goals, for your goals, Producer is the product...and the price is right in the ballpark for comparative options.
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Gizzmo0815 wrote:Nah, I disagree.

Artist is included with all of their interfaces, it's designed to be a scratch-pad, which it succeeds at admirably. And Producer is the comparatively priced "lite" version. The pricing is completely in line with the competitors. The difference is that Studio One Free is just that, completely free, while Artist is the intro version, Producer is lite and Pro is the full version.

Those that want unfettered VST support in Artist are asking Presonus to take a loss to satisfy them...this isn't good business, and would make little sense. You simply buy the product that allows you to achieve your goals, for your goals, Producer is the product...and the price is right in the ballpark for comparative options.


When I bought my MBox2 Pro, I got PTLE. 7.4 - no VST support, but full RTAS & Rewire support. Every Instrument I bought either installed an RTAS version, or fully supports rewire.

It also came with AbletonLive 8 Lite. Only 8 tracks total, and some limitations to how you can use the included instruments, but full VST & Rewire support.

The lite version of Samplitude only costs $49.99 You're limited to 16 bits, 64 tracks, 2 insert effects.

Think about it, if your instrument of choice is Scarbee's Vintage Piano, or Alicia's Keys & you want to record yourself, you can go get an 8 track, or 16 track recorder that won't interferer with your choice of instrument in any way or form.

You shouldn't expect to be able to produce polished tracks & as an artist, that's generally not your goal.

But with StudioOne Artist, I can make a pretty polished record & the limitations of VSTs can be worked around. I may be a good enough engineer/mixer, that I can do whatever I need with the included StudioOne effects. I can run as many tracks, busses, inputs, & outputs that I want.

Why would a single musician ever need to record more than a stereo pair? Why would a single musician need more than a stereo out? Or 8 insert effects, 8 effects sends? as many as 24 busses? If you're crafty enough, you can route 8 tracks of ADAT out & back into your studio & use any effects you want.

I'm not trying to start any trouble, just trying to help. I think there should be a product for musicians, supplying the features they "need" & once you start "dictating" what instruments they can use, you're pretty much infringing on that musician's creativity. Recording & arranging should be the focus. You should be able to record whatever you want, whether it be an upright piano, or a VSTi of an upright piano.

There should be another product for entry level studios, project studios. There should be additional features for editing, overdubing, routing. This is where you should go beyond CD quality sound, 24 bits 48K & up.

Then there should be the product for professionals. Increased routing, highest sampling rates, advanced disk management, support for industry standard formats, 64 bit memory access, pitch correction, sidechaining, networking features, etc...

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I also got PT10 with my ElevenRack.


I think that's limited to 99 tracks & I need an Ilok..... but I think that's it. Well, there is that VST/RTAS thing, but not really a big deal.

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Producer IS the VSTi and VST supported version of Artist.

If they allowed VST support in Artist though the sales would climb over night, I myself believe they should allow limited VST support if not to end this inquiry but also increase sales.

Of course that's just my unimportant opinion.
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For $99 Sonar gets you full VST/VSTi support, 64 audio tracks, unlimited midi tracks, & you can even import video.


Again, not trying to be difficult. Just trying to help Presonous do something different & offer something musicians need at a relatively "fair" price. So we aren't paying for things we'll never use.

Those guys who are interested in multitracking, multiband compressors, pitch correction, sync'ing to video..... let them pay for it.
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Much larger companies can afford to push loss-lead products like that. An artist can use Artist to do everything you're asking about. If the intent is to use the software as a scratch pad, then Artist does exactly everything you want. If the intent is to have a production platform for finished songs, the PRODUCER does exactly that. If one needs the additional capabilities afforded by a 64 bit DAW, a mastering suite and additional export capabilities, video support and the like...the Professional is the one to go with. Which at $299 is WAY less than a lot of the other comparable products...seriously...you're talking about products that have upgrade prices of $400+ dollars compared to products at less than half that.

When you look at the whole line of products Presonus offers it's more than reasonable.
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Gizzmo0815 wrote:

When you look at the whole line of products Presonus offers it's more than reasonable.


Try not to take this personal. StudioOne is a fine product & there are somethings they've done that I've thought, "Why hasn't anyone done this before." This on the other hand is one of those that left me scratching my head.

And price really isn't the issue. If it's worth it, people will pay. I've been to a few different forums in the last month or so asking users of other DAWs what features they thought their DAWs offered songwriters.

I realized....... DAWs aren't really made for musicians. Not even songwriters.

Someone on one of those forums pointed me towards StudioOne & it dawned on me I got a version of Artist with my AudioBox. So I went to their website & read what they had to say about Artist.
Unlike other “entry-level” DAWs, it imposes no limits on track count and plug-in instantiations, or editing features.



Honestly, I've never had a problem with trackcounts, even Ableton's 8 tracks. For me, once you go past 8 tracks, it's time to go to the studio. Think about it. Who needs 120 tracks, 10 busses, & 10 insert effects per track, & 13 stereo outputs for a scratchpad.

Now imagine you buy a Zoom R16, or a Tascam DP-004. Think about what limitations you will have. How do you think it would sell, if they said it didn't work with acoustic instruments, that you could only record instruments that put out -4db? wouldn't make sense would it? But if they said you don't have any effects busses, or only had 3 effects...... I think that would be more reasonable, more expected.

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thunderkyss wrote:Try not to take this personal.


I don't think anyone is.

There are other considerations though. From the perspective of the buyer it's always going to be "what can I get for the lowest price". But from a business perspective I think Presonus has a much more delicate balancing act. The question has to be "how much can I get for this". It's the constant consumer battle. I'd wager that because Presonus includes Artist free with so many of their interfaces...they consider it basically a loss-leader product. Also don't forget the upgrade pricing, which is not bad at all. If you consider that Artist with an interface, is free (or extremely low cost) then Producer, with the upgrade price is actually only $100 for a full DAW with all the support you're asking for, and even more really. That's cheap for the product you're getting.

I think for a company their size, the prices do have to be slightly higher, but the product is widely considered to be an excellent one, so they can get away with it because the user-base seems to be willing (or more than willing when you consider the upgrade possibilities with the included-artist version) to pay it.
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...or less during one of their sales...
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OK ! I purchased this enormous, stunning, irresistible monster Soundcard - Mixer - Presonus 24.4.2 with its incredible signal-processing power on every channel, integrated hardware-software mixing and recording systems etc etc. And when I looked deaper in the package I found this extremly lite version of Studio One Artist without vst / vsti support. Great ! Just what I needed. The only virtual shit I use is Native Kontakt. Maybe som vst plugins. Yes, yes I can fix it with sub-softwares anyway. Audio Virtual cables, virtual midi cables, import wave data, export wave data, move and cut and merge bla bla bla. I love to spin me into virtual cables and stuff. I just love being a simple musician and - I've decided - I will not buy anything near Studio One Pro - what so ever. Because of the rubbed mindset. But there are always alternatives - fortunately. Time to Change your policy and it will increase the number of happy faces at every stage.
Regards Michael

Forgot to note this. The upgrade for us hardware owners should not cost more than about $ 100. Then I would also look at upgrading!

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