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jelma
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I am selling my Sonar X1, call me if you want to buy it
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Too bad you can't legally sell your Sonar license
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jelma
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Yes I know. Sonar softsynths are good. So my biggest mistake was update to X1
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You mean a manual comes with S1? I have learned all the tips and tricks on the tube from themuzic and right here on the forums...lol Really I do look through the vids here or on the tube before I start reading..
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What is the "Manual"?.........................lol

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dgutshall
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Another Sonar ex-pat here, though I left for a different reason. After fighting PC issues for 25 years, I finally caved and bought an iMac last Fall. It was troubling because I had been a tried and true Cakewalk customer since Pro Audio 6 and had bought every version through 8.5.3 PE. I just grew tired of latency and noise issues, trying to get a Firewire interface to work correctly, dealing with BSOD after a complete rebuild of the machine, and all of the other things that frustrate the average PC user.

Once the decision to go Mac was made, it was time to decide on DAW software. I knew PT wasn't the route to go, and that I had tried Cubase previously and didn't care for it. Logic was too expensive. My sales engineer at Sweetwater and the guy at Guitar Center both recommended S1 Pro, and Sweetwater was offering a nice deal on the crossgrade, so I decided to give Presonus a try.

I'm primarily audio with a little Midi soft synth (Dimension sounds GREAT) and acidized drum loops. There is a bit of a learning curve from Sonar to S1. However, once you get used to looking to the right side of the screen to find things rather than dropping down menus, it suddenly gets a lot easier. The mastering tools are top shelf, including some gorgeous FFT analyzers and phase monitors. As others have said, the audio quality is pristine (I use a Focusrite Pro 40 interface) and the Mackie MCU provides good basic control for the DAW. I've found waveform editing to be very easy. Plug ins are solid, though I do miss having an autotune plug included.

As a casual user, the more I work with Studio One, the more I like it and the less I miss Sonar. Especially now that they've ripped off S1's interface...

One last thing -- You don't need Kevlar body armor to hang out over here. Much friendlier environment and nowhere near the number of pompous over-inflated egos to deal with on this board. It's a pleasant change...
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dgutshall wrote:Another Sonar ex-pat here, though I left for a different reason. After fighting PC issues for 25 years, I finally caved and bought an iMac last Fall. It was troubling because I had been a tried and true Cakewalk customer since Pro Audio 6 and had bought every version through 8.5.3 PE. I just grew tired of latency and noise issues, trying to get a Firewire interface to work correctly, dealing with BSOD after a complete rebuild of the machine, and all of the other things that frustrate the average PC user.

Once the decision to go Mac was made, it was time to decide on DAW software. I knew PT wasn't the route to go, and that I had tried Cubase previously and didn't care for it. Logic was too expensive. My sales engineer at Sweetwater and the guy at Guitar Center both recommended S1 Pro, and Sweetwater was offering a nice deal on the crossgrade, so I decided to give Presonus a try.

I'm primarily audio with a little Midi soft synth (Dimension sounds GREAT) and acidized drum loops. There is a bit of a learning curve from Sonar to S1. However, once you get used to looking to the right side of the screen to find things rather than dropping down menus, it suddenly gets a lot easier. The mastering tools are top shelf, including some gorgeous FFT analyzers and phase monitors. As others have said, the audio quality is pristine (I use a Focusrite Pro 40 interface) and the Mackie MCU provides good basic control for the DAW. I've found waveform editing to be very easy. Plug ins are solid, though I do miss having an autotune plug included.

As a casual user, the more I work with Studio One, the more I like it and the less I miss Sonar. Especially now that they've ripped off S1's interface...

One last thing -- You don't need Kevlar body armor to hang out over here. Much friendlier environment and nowhere near the number of pompous over-inflated egos to deal with on this board. It's a pleasant change...


Well then here's a hardy WELCOME to you, my friend. You'll find an absolute ton of help if you ever need it. I must really recommend that you check out http://www.groove3.com/str/studio-one-training/ for a real deep course on Studio One, made by our very own Gigazaga (Bedstrom) as well as these links below.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Motokonl
http://www.youtube.com/user/lilacwriter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=448YtxjpYm8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2a6nDLi9D8&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/user/themuzic

There are a ton of videos at the Presonus Website as well. Lastly, here's a thread that list a ton of other stuff. Mostly compiled by DB (MAX)

http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/2630.page

Enjoy!!

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bitflipper
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The consensus from SONAR users, both here and on the SONAR forum, seems to be that everything Studio One does it does very well, but it's lacking some features we've come to rely upon.

Exactly which features those are, and whether or not their absence constitutes a showstopper, depends entirely on the individual user. One SONAR user told me that the deal killer was S1's inability to insert audio and automatically move everything over to make room for it. But that feature means little to me because I don't use it. Many cite the lack of a freeze function, while others never even use the one in SONAR. Some can't imagine working large projects without track folders, but S1 users seem to manage OK using colors and quick groups. I would miss things like track locking, something most S1 users might not even know was missing.

The pattern here is that SONAR is very feature-laden (some might say feature-bloated), the result of 20 years of incremental development. There is something for everyone in there. S1, OTOH, is less than two years old. Naturally, it's had to address the most important elements up front and pick up additional bells and whistles over time. The wish-list is still long. The devs won't be running out of ideas anytime soon!

But the developers know a great deal about DAWs and are enjoying a luxury few coders experience: the ability to start over from scratch and do it right the second time. I am confident that this product has the potential to become the benchmark by which every other DAW is judged.

It's just not quite there yet. At least, that's the consensus I'm hearing so far.
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bitflipper wrote:
It's just not quite there yet. At least, that's the consensus I'm hearing so far.


I agree 100% but like you said, this is only the beginning so I too, am confident that features will be added and make no mistake, Presonus is listening and I'm super confident everything you have just said will be taken to heart (if it already hasn't been...lol)

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jelma
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I do not miss anything from Sonar. It was so unstable. With Presonus i can do all things faster,
even if i dont have step sequencer. Now after two weeks no single crash with Studio One pro!
I´ve fall in love...
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synthphonix wrote:Too bad you can't legally sell your Sonar license


I have asked for a refund as i have been upgraded to A fulaty Product as far as i have been concearned, X1 it is realLy that unasable, Not that Sonar has ever been really putting aside all the Features and functions that dont do what it says on the tin so to speak and talk about the illogical approach to these new features in X1.

I even tried Purchasing the upgrade of X1 when it First got released at the discount price of £89, it took them 3 weeks to get back to me after they messed my account up, and i then had to pay the full wack of £129, Principles, talk about scaming every penny out of a loyle customer.

To be sold A fualty Product and have no wrights or decent communiaction Is downright Discusting.

So Sadley He is stuck, All he can do it get on their case for a refund if recently bought, But for me now getting on for 2 weeks and no reply, sent them a long list of issues, told them i had many more including Screen shots I Could send if they mailed me a reply Link, also told them i did not want to wait around for the non existed bug fixes or go through support this time just to be sent round the houses amd have time waisted, as i have had to do for the Previous 3 years wityh no Result,
so if in realaty and it was anything other than software my Return date would be up, But its always a tricky one with software, And more so when in my case its An overseas Company and american Laws are Different from the Uk, So kind of just leaves you scratching your head, what Wrights do i actually have.

We all live and learn, Took me 4 years with sonar, but i have learned my lesson now.

God bless Presonus How could i have ever doubted what my instinct Screamed at me _Reguarding this Studio One.
And on selling my S1 license on a whim.
Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
tharopa
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bitflipper wrote:One SONAR user told me that the deal killer was S1's inability to insert audio and automatically move everything over to make room for it.


I use that very often as part of tweaking the arrangement, and would also miss it if i were to start using S1. It's not just the audio/midi that gets moved but automation envelopes + markers, so that's very, very useful. Without wanting to come across as negative, I consider such editing tasks as the basics (of audio editing).

But, I am impressed with the alleged ( and often spoken about) stability of S1. It may be so, that the smaller development team can trace any problems better than a collaborative project spanning multiple companies, like in Cakewalk's case. For example, in Sonar, the buggy V-Vocal plugin is created by Roland, and Cakewalk developers must rely on Roland to provide fix patches ( or so I guess). However, conversely, it remains to be seen, how the stability of S1 will be affected once it receives a similar amount of features like the long standing hosts have.

jelma
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Biggest problem with Sonar was...

I upgraded some version of sonar, because they added v-vocal. I thought i didint need melodyne or autotune, but v-vocal was so buggy and..i think it dont work perfectly even today. It is not pro. So I bought melodyne and i was very happy.

Same thing with audio snap. I thought now i can quantize multitrack audio (like drums). But, AudioSnap performance was very bad. So i did everything with melodyne.

And overall stability, I always thought there is something wrong on my machine, until i download Studio One!

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bitflipper
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Now after two weeks no single crash with Studio One pro!
I´ve fall in love...

Sad that going two weeks without crashing is considered a selling point.

I'd guess if you can't crash S1 you're just not trying hard enough. Trust me, no DAW is crash-proof.

I have crashed SONAR maybe a dozen times over the years, but in every case the crash dump revealed a third-party component as the culprit. It may well be that the secret to S1's stability is the quality and breadth of the bundled plugins, such that users are less inclined to experiment with third-party products of dubious lineage.
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I really like what I'm seeing here. Lots of good, clam, objective view points. I think anyone from the Sonar side should know that us guys over here are mostly about creating music yet, at the same time, admittedly many of us are full fledged fan boys...lol

My point is, none of us here really want to suggest trashing you current DAW completely, if it works for you but maybe incorporate S1 into your daily routine until your bugs are fixed. I must admit I do like to hear people that feel S1 solves all their issues and makes a complete switch but that's not the goal for most of us.

This thread has had every opportunity to turn bad yet it has remained about as professional as a thread can and that, to me, is astounding!!!

A great read for sure!! Thanx to all! Oh, and it also speaks volumes about the quality of people over at the Sonar forums. Also a nice thing to see.

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I offer FREE assistance for Studio One (any version) and Presonus hardware, to anyone having issues or anyone who simply wants to learn

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