Explain the layers, please

I was with you until "you want to insert a longer intro" - then I got lost. What happened in your scenario that broke layers? Maybe I haven't run into this specific case, but I think maybe what you're getting at is there is no way to view the takes PER clip? Pro Tools does take matching quite well and I do miss that from S1v2 (far from being in love with S1v2, I think it could use a lot of functionality before it would displace PT10 for me - look around the forums for my posts on the matter).

5Lives wrote:I was with you until "you want to insert a longer intro" - then I got lost. What happened in your scenario that broke layers? Maybe I haven't run into this specific case, but I think maybe what you're getting at is there is no way to view the takes PER clip? Pro Tools does take matching quite well and I do miss that from S1v2 (far from being in love with S1v2, I think it could use a lot of functionality before it would displace PT10 for me - look around the forums for my posts on the matter).

Intro = Song Intro. Process that moves everything to the right side. (But it is just the example, that can be anything changing the song structure)
Making any insert before layered part makes layers desychronized. (cause they don't move together with the part)
In video world it's called ripple edit

I hope that is clear now.

Ah, yes - that does sound like a bug then

Not sure how PT does it with shuffle mode, but I think it moves playlist regions?

This has been and interesting read.

I've never done "comping" but have seen YouTube videos (Lilac writer?) about it.

For the most part, I use the "Layers" for "whole" takes, whether instrument or vocals (I'm still on v1.6.5).

After reviewing my takes, I choose the best one, for example, Layer 3 (it was the best

). Then I use "Auto-punch" to correct any boo-boo's. If any take was 40% or more bad, I just delete it and do another.

Others of you must work this way too... right?
I would like to try comping once this is fixed to see if it's any easier or more intuitive for me.
I am purchasing the 2.0 S1P upgrade in July and in the meantime, will be following this topic.

Thanks,
Scott

scottyo wrote:This has been and interesting read.

I've never done "comping" but have seen YouTube videos (Lilac writer?) about it.

For the most part, I use the "Layers" for "whole" takes, whether instrument or vocals (I'm still on v1.6.5).

After reviewing my takes, I choose the best one, for example, Layer 3 (it was the best ). Then I use "Auto-punch" to correct any boo-boo's. If any take was 40% or more bad, I just delete it and do another.

Others of you must work this way too... right?
I would like to try comping once this is fixed to see if it's any easier or more intuitive for me.
I am purchasing the 2.0 S1P upgrade in July and in the meantime, will be following this topic.

Thanks,
Scott

I mainly do it the same way as you describe. I guess my brain is still too analog.

You may want to rethink your purchase of S1V2. They are giving away free Faderports with purchase of Pro, and I believe it only runs through end of June.

Yeah, I saw that offer and looked up what and how to use a "Fader Port".

I'm fine with my trackball, using automation and the S1P GUI as I don't need another piece of gear taking up desk space.

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richwallen wrote:Well, here is what I know:

I expected the comping feature in Studio One 2 to be as simple as it was in Cubase 5.

Record a take of audio. Don't like it, back up the locater, hit record again; the second take appears on a lane under the first take. (i'm not talking cycle record here, i'm talking, record. stop, listen, 2nd take, stop, listen)

Each take should be under the first take, in lanes and those lanes should all be completely moveable, editable, volume edits, crossfades, cut, mute, etc. THEN THOSE TAKES SHOULD BE FREELY MOVEABLE, LEFT AND RIGHT. That's what I'm most curious about. Why cant I freely drag audio to any of those lanes or record takes at will, and those takes be completely my choice as to what happens with them.

Now, If I record something on the main track, and drag it down to a layer, it FREEZES on that spot and cant be moved, only up again to the main track lane. This doesn't make sense.
So simple in Cubase 3, 4, 5 and Studio One should be at least that easy.

So much about Studio One is easy, the lanes and layers should be easy too. Just make it like Cubase 5 and BAM, done !!

Well, I'm a new user coming from Reaper instead of Cubase, and I took advantage of the recent July 4th promotion. I downloaded the demo version that I installed on a Virtualbox partition to try it out beforehand since I didn't want to alter my real WIndows partition with a demo version. Obviously, there are thing that I really liked in the way Studio One handled its interface compared to Reaper and that helped my decision to buy it and install it for real.

And then I tried the recording workflow process... I am flabbergasted at how it is handled and how counter-intuitive it is compared to Reaper, which also works like the part I bolded in your post.

As you aleady described, the handling of the layers with the frozen items within the layer is still something I'm scratching my head about. If the thought behind their current behaviour was to archive takes, then yes, I guess this is a way of doing it.

So far, the closest method to Reaper I could find on this forum to handle the recording process comes from LMike:

1. Turn the option "Play Overlapping Events" on.
2. Record something.
3. Listen to it. Think "Hmm... lemme try that again."
4. Shift M (mute) the clip.
5. Record over it. Nothing gets trimmed... you see both full clips.
6. If you want to hear recording 1 only again, shift M recording 2, send it to back, shift M recording 1 to unmute.

What I like about this method is that I can play all takes at the same time when all the takes are unmuted, like in Reaper. I've discovered things by accident with this option that knocked me flat on my ass with how good and/or crazy it sounded. What I don't like about this method is that unless I haven't seen it yet, I have no way of knowing how many takes are on that track. The only way I see is to use the "Send to back" option and keep count manually of the track names. Not very efficient.

There are things in Studio One V2 that are handled brilliantly, hence why I bought the program in the first place. But the meat and potato aspect of recording and selecting the takes you want is not one of them in my opinion. I mean, loop recording must be activated to record takes without overwriting the previous take? I'm sure there are some people working like that, but I sure wouldn't like to be their singer: "Ok dude, take one looooooong breath, you have 6 takes coming up, without pause"

I could record takes to different tracks of course, but I don't want to do that since I made myself specific track templates already.

By the way, thank you LMike for the method described above. It's not ideal, but it's at least workable until Presonus finds a way to improve the process in a future update.