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pastorjjo

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Hey guys. It's probably something simple I'm missing. But I'm using the Korg SV-1 as a controller. It's sending midi no problem, but won't playback it's recording because on the Instrument Output section of the track SV-1 doesn't show up.

I went into preferences and both the Receive from and Send to show the SV1. Any guesses as to what the problem may be?

Thanks in advance
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Hi Jjo... it could be something simple like you said. If you don't mind, I do have a question or two (basics about MIDI control of software synthesizer/sampler instruments) I need to ask. Maybe we'll uncover the mystery from these preliminaries.

1. Your Korg SV-1 is an amazing keyboard with it's own built-in collection of great electromechanical piano, organ and vintage synth sounds. However, if you're using it for MIDI (output) control of a DAW's MIDI software instruments please be aware (you may already know this, so apologies if I'm mentioning things you're already aware of) that you're triggering the sounds of the software synth/instruments in your recording software. The built-in sounds onboard your Korg SV-1 are not being sent across MIDI. This is crucial to understand.

2. If you're able to create a MIDI Instrument track in Studio One (like the Presence I've made in my attached screenshot) and you've configured the Korg SV-1 to send MIDI In correctly into Studio One, you should be able to both visually confirm MIDI Input signal and "hear" the triggered sound from the Presence device (in my example).

I recorded some MIDI notes and in my screenshot, I'm just listening back to the playback of those note events. They're triggering the sound loaded inside of the Presence instrument and I'm confirming visual and auditory playback in my headphones of the sound.

-> If you're expecting to record the audio from your SV-1, you'll need to send an audio output from your Korg SV-1 into an audio interface input (1/4-inch audio output and create a standard audio track to record the sound from your Korg's internal sound engine. MIDI isn't sending audio... only control data (like note on/off, velocity of the note data, the length of time you're holding the notes down, etc.)

Maybe in one of these thoughts I've listed above exists a clue to where you're having the holdup? Again, if you were aware of the technical things mentioned, I apologize in advance.
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peranomaly wrote:Hi Jjo... it could be something simple like you said. If you don't mind, I do have a question or two (basics about MIDI control of software synthesizer/sampler instruments) I need to ask. Maybe we'll uncover the mystery from these preliminaries.

1. Your Korg SV-1 is an amazing keyboard with it's own built-in collection of great electromechanical piano, organ and vintage synth sounds. However, if you're using it for MIDI (output) control of a DAW's MIDI software instruments please be aware (you may already know this, so apologies if I'm mentioning things you're already aware of) that you're triggering the sounds of the software synth/instruments in your recording software. The built-in sounds onboard your Korg SV-1 are not being sent across MIDI. This is crucial to understand.

2. If you're able to create a MIDI Instrument track in Studio One (like the Presence I've made in my attached screenshot) and you've configured the Korg SV-1 to send MIDI In correctly into Studio One, you should be able to both visually confirm MIDI Input signal and "hear" the triggered sound from the Presence device (in my example).

I recorded some MIDI notes and in my screenshot, I'm just listening back to the playback of those note events. They're triggering the sound loaded inside of the Presence instrument and I'm confirming visual and auditory playback in my headphones of the sound.

-> If you're expecting to record the audio from your SV-1, you'll need to send an audio output from your Korg SV-1 into an audio interface input (1/4-inch audio output and create a standard audio track to record the sound from your Korg's internal sound engine. MIDI isn't sending audio... only control data (like note on/off, velocity of the note data, the length of time you're holding the notes down, etc.)

Maybe in one of these thoughts I've listed above exists a clue to where you're having the holdup? Again, if you were aware of the technical things mentioned, I apologize in advance.


Peranomaly. Thank you for getting back to me. And thank you for your concern of being offensive. You are not in any way, but I think that's one of the things that make this forum really cool.

I am aware of the midi vs audio connection. Normally I like to record midi and audio simultaneously.
I use an audio track to record audio (and yes I see signal and hear sound). In fact. Presently I can record both midi and audio at the same time.
The issue is that SV-1 does send signal to midi. Just like my S90Es or Motif Xs6. Both are similar in function to the SV-1.
They all serve as controllers but in various locations.

The difference is that SO won't allow the SV-1 play back the midi to itself. I wish I was still at my DAW to take a screen shot.
In the area where I/O is I can change various instruments as you pointed out eg. "Presence, Mojito, Motif, S90Es" etc. But I can not get
The SV-1 to even show up in that region. It will output midi, but not receive midi into itself.

BTW the audio interface I'm using is Duet II. Hopefully I'm being clear.

Thanks
Jjo
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Jjo... this was the "clue" that I needed that you provided at the very end of your reply:

"The difference is that SO won't allow the SV-1 play back the midi to itself. I wish I was still at my DAW to take a screen shot.
In the area where I/O is I can change various instruments as you pointed out eg. "Presence, Mojito, Motif, S90Es" etc. But I can not get
The SV-1 to even show up in that region. It will output midi, but not receive midi into itself."

A: Without seeing your Preferences screen in Studio One, I'm running on best educated guess that you don't yet have a "New Instrument" created in your "External Devices" list. (See my Screen Shot_1 for an example).

If you only have the "Keyboard" device (for your KORG SV-1 MIDI Input to the Studio One MIDI Instrument/sequencer track), this device handles MIDI In to the software instruments within Studio One, basically.

If you want to send MIDI data that has been recorded in Studio One back out to a real world MIDI-capable synthesizer, sampler or drum machine, you have to create an "Instrument" device (separate from your "Keyboard" device) in that Preferences > External Devices menu.

See my Screen Shot_2 for run-time capture of my test 2-bar MIDI sequence clip that is sending MIDI Output to the MIDI Monitor (a Mac OS X MIDI utility program that allows us to "spy" on MIDI dataflow being passed from device/software to device).

I believe this is the answer that you were looking for; I just didn't know the specifics of how your configuration was (screenshots from end users are always most helpful, if possible) until you provided that important clue as I initially mentioned. Hope this answered your question?
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peranomaly wrote:Jjo... this was the "clue" that I needed that you provided at the very end of your reply:

"The difference is that SO won't allow the SV-1 play back the midi to itself. I wish I was still at my DAW to take a screen shot.
In the area where I/O is I can change various instruments as you pointed out eg. "Presence, Mojito, Motif, S90Es" etc. But I can not get
The SV-1 to even show up in that region. It will output midi, but not receive midi into itself."

A: Without seeing your Preferences screen in Studio One, I'm running on best educated guess that you don't yet have a "New Instrument" created in your "External Devices" list. (See my Screen Shot_1 for an example).

If you only have the "Keyboard" device (for your KORG SV-1 MIDI Input to the Studio One MIDI Instrument/sequencer track), this device handles MIDI In to the software instruments within Studio One, basically.

If you want to send MIDI data that has been recorded in Studio One back out to a real world MIDI-capable synthesizer, sampler or drum machine, you have to create an "Instrument" device (separate from your "Keyboard" device) in that Preferences > External Devices menu.

See my Screen Shot_2 for run-time capture of my test 2-bar MIDI sequence clip that is sending MIDI Output to the MIDI Monitor (a Mac OS X MIDI utility program that allows us to "spy" on MIDI dataflow being passed from device/software to device).

I believe this is the answer that you were looking for; I just didn't know the specifics of how your configuration was (screenshots from end users are always most helpful, if possible) until you provided that important clue as I initially mentioned. Hope this answered your question?



See? Told ya it was simple. Lol. I see what happened. When I set up the SV1 I set it up as a controller and not an instrument.
You are correct. Thank you. I don't mind playing live....but to have the midi track for those just in case moments is great to have.

And thank you for your patience and understanding.

Jjo
Studio One V2 Pro
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Mac Book Pro 17" Dual 2.4ghz 8 Gigs 10.7.4
Mac Pro (2) Quad Core 32Gigs
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(2) SL 16.4.2
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Korg SV-1
Yamaha S90 ES
Yamaha Motif 6 XS

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