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Killkrt
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Hi,

I'd like to use Reason (6.5) as instrument and effect inside Studio One 2. I mean I'd like to write my melody within S1 (using the S1 sequencer) and send the MIDI data to Reason and than the audio back to a track of S1, I also would like to do the same thing with audio (send the output of a track to Reason and than back to S1). I know this is possible with Logic or Reaper, maybe doing some tricks with MIDI mapping or audio routing, but I wasn't able to find any documentation about it for S1!

Could you help me?

Thanks.

P.S.:
Another problem that I'd like to solve is about M-Audio Axiom Pro, since I use HyperControl when I use Reason via Rewire it takes control of my keyboard, even I switch (set the focus on) S1. If remember well in Logic, HyperControl follows the application focus, so when I'm working with Logic my keyboard controls Logic and if I switch to Reason the keyboard controls Reason.

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You can send your midi from S1 to Combinators or single instrument and feed the audio back in per combinator or inst.. or as a whole, the only thing you can not do is feed audio from s1 to reason, but thats the same for other daws,Its quite simple and more simple than reaper by far.
Drop reason rewire into s1, open reason and set up your combinators or inst.. as you have with other Daws,reWire these out into reason as you already have.
Go to instrument rack panel somewhere bottom left in S1, if you can not see it look for radio button to open the view ( Instr),their you will see the reason rewire plugin device with any other vst you may alreday have in your song,expand that to see the cxheck boxes for your audio back into s1 from reason, check the appropriate ins /out.
to send midi add instrument tracks to arrangment view, and its quite straight foward send to reason first box menu, second box menu send to your device in reason their you have it,

Reguarding audio back to S1
bare in mind apart from 1+2 audio/stereo pair all else is mono,
so the trick is say for example mono 3 and mono 4 from one stereo int.... in reason, should show up once you checked the boxes as i mentioned prior, select the two channel strips in question and right click/ select the first option for add to bus, not the second add bus option, thats indepent so you can add to its channel and use the standard send controls, the first option combines it, you will get the hange of these differences and uses. then once 3=4 is bussed together, you can hide these channles vai the inspector.

Quick instructions, but should point you in the correct direction.

You can also do all automation from reason in s1 and i would prefer to duplicate the midi track going out to your resaon device draw a blank midi clip and do automation within the clip instead of as standard via the track automation, that way you can move your automation clips around as you can in reason, I always use white clips for automation and then put all in appriopriate folders tied to the orig midi track.

any questions feel free to ask..
Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
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as far as your controller goes, things like hyper link and the similar novation automap, are not really practicle, as s1's control link works in a similar take over mode, so although i guess you can use hyper link for some things as with automap, but i would not expect any mapping for The s1 interface, only any you may customise yourself, if you deem that it would work how you desire, Trial and error their.
Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Killkrt
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Thank you for your answer!!!

I've a little problem, even if I create a new ReWire track, open Reason, create a new instrument (in Reason), I cannot find "Reason" as available output for a new instrument track (in Studio One!)... It's quite strange...

Thank you very much!!!

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Killkrt
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Ok... I've understood the problem! Studio One (I don't know why) was running in 32bit mode while Reason 6.5 in 64bit mode!!!

I'm on a iMac with OS X Lion.
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Just to make clear, you dragged the reason Rewire from your browser to a Track or empty space_example in the section you display in the picture empty space below the output boxes, not to the main track window.
If you have done this and then brought the rewire plugin up as you would a vst gui,and reason will open when you click on the the little reason icon/or open dialog i think it also has, Once open Reason should show up, So my first port of call to you would be,
Are you running all x32 programms or x64 version's, on what sPc or mac version x32 or x64, although presum you will understand this part as you have used rewiew via othr daws before, But just to make certain. ?

Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Jason Gray
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Killkrt wrote:Ok... I've understood the problem! Studio One (I don't know why) was running in 32bit mode while Reason 6.5 in 64bit mode!!!

I'm on a iMac with OS X Lion.


Yes as i suspected,a commen Mistake' Glad its sorted.
Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Killkrt
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Thanks very much!

May I ask you a last thing?... I think I didn't understand well how to cope with stereo signal. I mean now I create a song in Reason where I have two instruments (say I1 and I2), I1 is connected to channel 3 + 4, and I2 one to 5 + 6 of Hardware Interface. In S1 I created two instrument tracks, one is sending MIDI input to I1 and the other to I2. The problem (as you mentioned early) is that I can only select one output channel as Audio Output, so I got a mono sound for each track.
Could you explain me more clearly how I can resolve this problem (I find a solution but I think it is a little tricky, since I use 3 tracks and one Bus for each instrument in Reason!!!)?

Thank you very very much!!!
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Ok... After some investigation and a little of experimentation I discovered that:
- You can select what you want from the Audio combo of the track instrument (in S1) the sound is coming out from the channel where the Reason instrument is wired to. I select "None".
- For each instrument in Reason I create a instrument track sending MIDI input to the right instrument channel, the audio output is automatically send to the two audio channels (according to the channel wiring into Reason), I pan to extreme left one channel, and the other to extreme right and send them to the same bus channel

Is it right?

Sadly, as you said, it seems there is no way to send audio to a slave via ReWire! So I can't use Reason effects as audio effects in S1!

Thank you!
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Yes your correct, but you do not need to pan i would guess, as they are already mono, but no harm if you did pan hard left and right in s1,

Ignore the posts below, i ranted and probally confused things, if you get stuck still, will do a picture /diagram of the Routing , simplest way.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 28/06/2012 00:23:08

Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Jason Gray
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Joined: 22/09/2010 11:10:55
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Deleted what i put,
No point in ranting on, i will do a picture /diagram of the Routing , simplest way.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 28/06/2012 00:18:28

Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Jason Gray
Presonic
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Joined: 22/09/2010 11:10:55
Messages: 503
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Deleted what i put,
No point in ranting on, i will do a picture /diagram of the Routing , simplest way.

This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 28/06/2012 00:18:38

Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
Jason Gray
Presonic
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Joined: 22/09/2010 11:10:55
Messages: 503
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Deleted what i put,
No point in ranting on, i will do a picture /diagram of the Routing , simplest way.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 28/06/2012 00:18:47

Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
 
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