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Is there anything that comes with Studio One that could do the job of Waves Doubler? For doubling up guitars, like in this video example....

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nice trick!
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Here's a good freebie ADT, give it a try. Also check out the reverb Poor Plate that's quite nice too.
http://www.vacuumsound.de/plugins.html
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Waves Doubler:

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I'm going to check this, but this is easly done with a delay that has 0 feedback and can be set in milliseconds, and the delays can be panned. Add a little modulation to the echos and you got a doubler.

If the delay does not have left and right processing, put it on two parallel processing tracks, one of them panned L the other R.
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I've been trying to replicate that effect with about 80% success. You can send to busses and get delayed mults with a simple delay but the onky way to get the detune is to copy the track and detune the copies.

That plug is really handy. Cubase has one kinda like it but it didn't have detune. I use Waves Doubler on vocals a lot. I think that "sound" is on a lot more pop records than we might think.

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LMike wrote:I've been trying to replicate that effect with about 80% success. You can send to busses and get delayed mults with a simple delay but the onky way to get the detune is to copy the track and detune the copies.

That plug is really handy. Cubase has one kinda like it but it didn't have detune. I use Waves Doubler on vocals a lot. I think that "sound" is on a lot more pop records than we might think.


Any tips or tricks you willing to share as far as using it on vocals? Speaking of the ways doubler. Thanks in advance.
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For lead vocal, I use the Doubler 2 hard L/R, delay maybe 25 / 30 ms L/R respectively, detuned about 15 +/- maybe and maybe crank up the depth a bit. If you crank up the send you can really hear the effect, what it does, them back it down a good bit. I always use it on a bus. Depending on the vocalist, I may also roll off some high and low on the doubles to put more emphasis on the mids.

It can add a really nice texture and it's not even something that people notice until you take it off. It also, depending on the settings, can help with seperation but you have to do have to check it in mono. I've even gone a bit longer longer with the doubled delays, like 45 / 55 ms L/R on some songs. What it ultimately sounds like depends on where you seat the final effect bus or send level, the balance. If the vocal verb has a healthy pre-delay, 30-40ms doubles kinda fit right in that space nicely.

Just play around with it and you'll see what I mean. Just don't overdo it.
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I heard no difference really. You can accomplish the same exact thing with a detuned and delayed clone track.

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themuzic wrote:I heard no difference really. You can accomplish the same exact thing with a detuned and delayed clone track.


For sure. It's just easier to use the plug for that but yeah, making two more copies of the vocal and delaying & detuning can get you to pretty much the same place. Little bit harder to do with 12 backing tracks though, the duplicating and detuning and all that.

Also (sorry, slipped my mind) the doubler also modulates the pitch a little, giving a different sound, which is why I said "pretty much" the same.

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Good Stuff LMike
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Not an s1 thing, but the psp MD608 has a lovely doubler preset, with the modulated delays, etc.
I saw a neat trick on Pensado's place (sorry, i forget which episode), where he moved the doubled track ahead, then put a modulated delay on it, and automated the modulation AND delay time (or something to that effect), to better impersonate an "imperfect" double.

that said, you could probably do similar with the s1 analog delay (doesn't it have a modulation settting)?

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Resonator wrote:Here's a good freebie ADT, give it a try. Also check out the reverb Poor Plate that's quite nice too.
http://www.vacuumsound.de/plugins.html


This is a great plug that is quite overlooked (I suspect because it's so basic and doesn't have a GUI).

It's not EXACTLY the same as Waves Doubler...but it serves a similar purpose. Great reference!
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LMike wrote:
themuzic wrote:I heard no difference really. You can accomplish the same exact thing with a detuned and delayed clone track.


For sure. It's just easier to use the plug for that but yeah, making two more copies of the vocal and delaying & detuning can get you to pretty much the same place. Little bit harder to do with 12 backing tracks though, the duplicating and detuning and all that.

Also (sorry, slipped my mind) the doubler also modulates the pitch a little, giving a different sound, which is why I said "pretty much" the same.


Another powerful tool for this is Melodyne. There are some great tutorials on Youtube if you search for "Melodyne Doubling" that will show some REALLY neat ways of achieving some of these kinds of effects for vocals, guitars, etc. It's a bit more work of course, but for the occasional specific use it's really quite cool.
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This kind of tool would be a great addition to S1.

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