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evilproPL
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Hey people.. I know that this problem has been on this forum many times, but I have a huge problem again! I'm a complete noob in audio recording. I have Presonus Studio One 2 Artist, and I'm using a Presonus USB Audiobox with Presonus M7 microphone (Presonus 1box pack), recording on PC, Windows 7 64bit. I'm having a very annoying problem! When I record my vocal and insert my instrumental beat to Studio One it sounds great, just like I would like to have it when I create a mixdown, but when I create it it just goes crap! My effects can be barely heard, volume level is going down, my vocal loses the compression which I've put in the Studio One and it like.. blends into the instrumental beat and it is muffled. It should be over the instrumental beat. I've tried to change the volume level down, so there would be no clipping, but still nothing changes! I've tried to mix it as a WAV and FLAC file's with different resolutions and samplerates, but still nothing..

I have no idea of what to do! Please help me.. or there might be some tutorials or something to helps newbie's like me. I will be much appreciated. (If you can please answer in 'easy english' please, because I might not understand fully the music terms). Thanks.
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What are you using for monitors? Get a decent pair if you haven't already. KRK Rokit 8s are decent for around $500. Add in your balanced cables to connect to them and you're good.

Learning how to record and mix takes time and IMO is a money pit. I'd recommend a series of books from Hal Leonard Recording Method, available on Amazon.com, and it's not on their Cyber Monday sale. I'd recommend books 2 and 6. That got me started.

I'd select a few reference recordings in various genres. Be careful of remasters -- they're usually just made hotter than the originals and have less dynamic range.

Take your mixdowns and burn them to some CDs and listen to them on different systems.

Also your first ones are going to sound like crap. It gets better. Don't expect to be Tony Maserati by next week. And having the Waves Tony Maserati plugins won't make you into him either.

After you've been doing this about a year, go back and listen to your first mixes. You will have a WTF was I thinking moment. I guarantee it.


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Thanks for the answer! I'm using some Technika computer speakers.. I will check out the stuff you've given me, hovewer, do you have any tips for saving my songs on my computer in best quality possible? I've changed the vocals and tracks so nothing goes over 1db, it sounds better, however I need some tip how to save it properly.
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When you record your tracks, make sure your faders in S1 are at 0 dB. Now make sure that the signal from the interface doesn't peak higher than -6 dB on the tracks. When you mix make sure that your MAIN is set at 0 dB and that the output signal doesn't peak over -6 dB. Your RMS signal may be at -12 dB, and that's fine. When you get your Main running like this, your individual tracks in a large session may be at -18 dB and that's fine, too.

This will give you headroom for mastering. You need to leave that headroom in your mixdown. It also will sound like a "quiet mix". That's fine. Hitting + 1 dB is clipping and doesn't sound good.

Mastering is a whole different game where mastering engineers add the sparkle and bring up the volume level of the tracks. Most of my mixdown files peak around -8 dB these days, and this may be on one snare hit for the entire track. If you don't leave sufficient headroom there is no room to add that sheen and sparkle.

You've got the Audiobox, right? Create your sessions in 24 bit 44.1 kHz. Do your mixdowns in that as well. WARNING: files in 24 bit format may not play on conventional CD players. Normal CD audio is in 16 bit 44.1 kHz. You will need to dither from 24 bit to 16 bit, but that is usually done as the mastering stage.

You can do a quick dither if you just want to check to hear how your mix sounds on other systems. I'd create a folder where you do your "Test Mixdowns". That way you know which files you can delete.

NOTE: I have not tried mastering in Studio One. About a month before I got Studio One I bought Sony Soundforge Pro 10. I paid for it, it's good, so I use it. You can do similar things in Studio One "Projects".

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That's great! Thanks a lot for your answer, it was very helpful.

@EDIT: I have another question tho.. is there an option to save a song as an actual song in Studio One 2 Artist?

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I'm not sure I understand the question.

If I'm reading you right you're looking for a mixdown. What that does is combine everything to a stereo mix. Is Artist you can save the mixdown as 16 bit 44.1k and you'll have something that can be burned to CD and used just about anywhere.
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Monolithent wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question.

If I'm reading you right you're looking for a mixdown. What that does is combine everything to a stereo mix. Is Artist you can save the mixdown as 16 bit 44.1k and you'll have something that can be burned to CD and used just about anywhere.


Thanks for the answer, is the Mixdown much different from Digital Publishing (or something like this) in Studio One Pro?
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That I don't know. I've never tried. I'm a live sound oriented kinda guy who dabbles in studio work here and there.
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Mixdown is composition of Your work. "Simple" audio file.

If copied to CD/DVD as it is it won´t play unless player knows how to handle DATA-disks.


Digital relase is either MP3/CD format relase and/or uploading to Soundcloud etc

Audio CD-format is different from audio(=data) format.
(most CD/DVD- burning softwares allow both disktypes to be burned)

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Okey, thanks for the answers! I bought Studio One 2 Pro, but now I have a similiar problem with Digital Release, can you please check it out?

http://forums.presonus.com/posts/list/17155.page
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Julia B wrote:When you record your tracks, make sure your faders in S1 are at 0 dB. Now make sure that the signal from the interface doesn't peak higher than -6 dB on the tracks. When you mix make sure that your MAIN is set at 0 dB and that the output signal doesn't peak over -6 dB. Your RMS signal may be at -12 dB, and that's fine. When you get your Main running like this, your individual tracks in a large session may be at -18 dB and that's fine, too.

This will give you headroom for mastering. You need to leave that headroom in your mixdown. It also will sound like a "quiet mix". That's fine. Hitting + 1 dB is clipping and doesn't sound good.

Mastering is a whole different game where mastering engineers add the sparkle and bring up the volume level of the tracks. Most of my mixdown files peak around -8 dB these days, and this may be on one snare hit for the entire track. If you don't leave sufficient headroom there is no room to add that sheen and sparkle.

You've got the Audiobox, right? Create your sessions in 24 bit 44.1 kHz. Do your mixdowns in that as well. WARNING: files in 24 bit format may not play on conventional CD players. Normal CD audio is in 16 bit 44.1 kHz. You will need to dither from 24 bit to 16 bit, [b]but that is usually done as the mastering stage.


I've ran into the same issue. I will try this and see what happens. 3n1, Yakima,Wa

You can do a quick dither if you just want to check to hear how your mix sounds on other systems. I'd create a folder where you do your "Test Mixdowns". That way you know which files you can delete.

NOTE: I have not tried mastering in Studio One. About a month before I got Studio One I bought Sony Soundforge Pro 10. I paid for it, it's good, so I use it. You can do similar things in Studio One "Projects".

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Julia B wrote:What are you using for monitors? Get a decent pair if you haven't already. KRK Rokit 8s are decent for around $500. Add in your balanced cables to connect to them and you're good.

Learning how to record and mix takes time and IMO is a money pit. I'd recommend a series of books from Hal Leonard Recording Method, available on Amazon.com, and it's not on their Cyber Monday sale. I'd recommend books 2 and 6. That got me started.


I have noticed that you truly emphasize the use of these two books. I have a couple recording books but your passion about these peeks my interest, now I must go look.


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I've been recording and doing sound for over 40 years, and still am not happy with my mixes most of the time.

Keep working, and remember you'll be better in 30 or 40 years.

I am not being a troll or putting you down. I've had some great teachers over the years, and it is not somethng you just plug in and play to sound like Fleetwood Mac... I didn't have an interweb to ask, but learned in time how to do it.

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It'll come in time
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Thanks guys! Johnny 'themuzic' Geib gave me some lessons on skype conversation which really helped. I will continue with doing for next years and I'm hoping to see an improvement. Thanks again.
 
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