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Hello, I have done some reading about this as it seems you can place things more precisely in the stereo field and even make things seem to come from outside the stereo field. I know you need a stereo delay to make it work, so do any of you know of a delay for this type of thing and how to set it up in S1?
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try the beat delay..
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Also you could copy the track and just use the time offset (track delay) on one track. This might give you more flexibility.
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2cthetruth wrote:Hello, I have done some reading about this as it seems you can place things more precisely in the stereo field and even make things seem to come from outside the stereo field. I know you need a stereo delay to make it work, so do any of you know of a delay for this type of thing and how to set it up in S1?


Vesco has a free Haas delay plug-in that is extremely simple.

http://www.vescofx.com/vfxFreeHaas

You can use pretty much any delay that lets you set the left and right delay independently. Waves Supertap is one example.

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Waves supertap won't let you set the delay below 50ms. I find that usually around 15-30ms works the best.
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Toth wrote:Waves supertap won't let you set the delay below 50ms. I find that usually around 15-30ms works the best.


For me Supertap goes to 8 and 16ms, but the resolution at the low ms settings is too coarse. So I agree it actually is not be the best tool for Haas effect tweaks.

The one I really liked for this was the Sonitus Delay in Cakewalk. But unfortunately that isn't available as a VST.

If you have SoundToys plug-ins, Echoboy set to the Dual Echo mode with Echo 1 and Echo 2 set to "time" mode should work:

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Thanks for the replys. Would the voxengo delay plug work? I know it has 2 different delay controls, but I don't know how toi set it up for the effect.
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Thanks Bedstrom for the link! I tried it on two guitar tracks and got alot of phasing. I took one off and it went away and retained much of the width. I don't knw if thats the correct way to do it, but sounded good to me. Thanks again.
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I was trying to figure a way to do this in S1. I couldn't configure the stock plugs to do it the way I needed. I'm used to achieving this with the slap delay in Protools. Setting one side to 0% effect with no delay and the other side to 100% with about 12-20ms delay. Using Analog Delay plugin in S1, with input set to left or right and adjusting mix, almost gets the desired effect for me.
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There's no need to go searching so far... Just Duplicate a track, insert the Analog Delay, set the feedback to 0%, Mix to 100% and tweak the delay time to your taste, somewhere between 1 and 30 ms. You can optionally tweak the high cut a bit to make the sound a bit subtler, depending on the source, for example with distorted guitars down to around 3-4khz, so there's less buzz. You can also make this setup without duplicating the track but this gives the most options for me.

I've saved a saved a preset for a basic Haas delay, so it very quick to setup. The Vesco Free Haas Delay is also pretty useful.

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Kahlbert wrote:Also you could copy the track and just use the time offset (track delay) on one track. This might give you more flexibility.

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Kahlbert wrote:
Kahlbert wrote:Also you could copy the track and just use the time offset (track delay) on one track. This might give you more flexibility.





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Admittedly even easier
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Doubling the track for instruments like guitar introduces too much phasing. Try it! Do a copied track vs. a double track sent through a stereo delay. The latter sounds much more natural (I'm talking guitars here, on vocals it sounds better). Doubling the track from the same copy does the same thing as a phaser would (correct me if I'm wrong).

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Interesting. I'd say it depends on the delay time since using a delay plug-in and copying and delaying the track should technically be pretty much the same thing - except when the plug-in does something else additionally, like a modulation or similar. Hm.
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